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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Matthias Kaehlcke <mka@chromium.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] x86/build changes for v4.17
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2018 10:59:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180403085904.GY4082@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzV8L-uv9706ryJ2mP9VGBuzqFVPu1cgYY+sZAtDAroqg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 02:44:48PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 2:50 AM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > The biggest change is the forcing of asm-goto support on x86, which effectively
> > increases the GCC minimum supported version to gcc-4.5 (on x86).
> 
> So my biggest worry isn't gcc-4.5 (anybody who hasn't updated deserves
> to be forced, or can stay with old kernels).
> 
> No, my biggest worry is clang. What's the status there?
> 
> I've pulled this, and honestly, the disaster with
> -fmerge-all-constants makes me think that clang isn't that good a
> compiler choice anyway, but it's sad if this undoes a lot of clang
> work just because of the worries about Spectre and mis-speculated
> branches.

It's not just spectre, I believe you yourself wanted to use asm-goto
somewhere in the x86 code:

  http://lkml.kernel.org/r/CA+55aFyCp-9Qqjcn9wp=VDp2KO7tfYuUMJxVKC75Xxu0wEB5Cw@mail.gmail.com

There was some KVM talk of relying on it here:

  http://lkml.kernel.org/r/6a5f2453-cf51-d491-db54-5f239caa29bc@redhat.com

And there's the comment here:

  https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v4.16-rc7/source/arch/x86/kvm/emulate.c#L457

As to the suitablility of using clang, there's also this unresolved
issue:

  http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20180321211931.GA111711@google.com

The fact that even without asm-goto they cannot correctly compile a
kernel and have sat on their hands regarding asm-goto for the past 7 odd
years makes me care very little.

And since they need to spin a new version of the compiler with all the
various bugs fixed, they might as well include asm-goto in that and be
done with it.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-04-03  8:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-02  9:50 [GIT PULL] x86/build changes for v4.17 Ingo Molnar
2018-04-02 21:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-02 22:38   ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-04-03  1:26     ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-04-03  8:59   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2018-04-03  9:51     ` Ingo Molnar
2018-04-03 12:09       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-04-03 18:06       ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-04-03 21:58         ` Nick Desaulniers
2018-04-04  9:19           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-04-04  9:38           ` Greg KH
2018-04-04 16:49             ` Nick Desaulniers
2018-04-04 17:13               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-04 17:46                 ` Nick Desaulniers
2018-04-04 23:10                 ` Nick Desaulniers
2018-04-04 16:53             ` Nick Desaulniers
2018-04-04 16:59               ` Greg KH
2018-04-04 19:26                 ` James Y Knight
2018-04-04 19:42                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-04 22:21                     ` James Y Knight
2018-04-04 22:29                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-05  7:08                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-04-05 16:21                         ` James Y Knight
2018-04-04 19:32               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-06-07 19:23                 ` Nick Desaulniers
2018-06-07 20:11                   ` Greg KH
2018-04-04  9:30         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-04-04 19:17           ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-04-04 20:33             ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-04-04 20:58               ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-04-04 21:11                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-04-04 21:46                   ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-04-04 21:59                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-04 22:17                       ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-04-04 22:39                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-04 23:31                           ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-04-05  0:05                             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-05  0:20                               ` Kees Cook
2018-04-05  7:24                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-04-05  8:04                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-04-05  8:24                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-04-05 16:43                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-05  7:20                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-04-05 17:46                               ` James Y Knight
2018-04-05 18:06                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-05 20:51                                   ` James Y Knight
2018-04-05 21:13                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-05 22:51                                       ` James Y Knight
2018-04-06  2:02                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-05 17:47                               ` James Y Knight
2018-04-04 23:04             ` Nick Desaulniers
2018-04-03 17:36     ` Linus Torvalds

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