From: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-man <linux-man@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 24/24] debugfs: Restrict debugfs when the kernel is locked down
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:23:13 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180412082313.GA6054@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrWynogzZcaKMLWKce1rMvAC_sViReBDyiEWL-rm21HvAg@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 07:54:12PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 09:09:16PM +0100, David Howells wrote:
> >> Greg KH <greg@kroah.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Why not just disable debugfs entirely? This half-hearted way to sorta
> >> > lock it down is odd, it is meant to not be there at all, nothing in your
> >> > normal system should ever depend on it.
> >> >
> >> > So again just don't allow it to be mounted at all, much simpler and more
> >> > obvious as to what is going on.
> >>
> >> Yeah, I agree - and then I got complaints because it seems that it's been
> >> abused to allow drivers and userspace components to communicate.
> >
> > With in-kernel code? Please let me know and I'll go fix it up to not
> > allow that, as that is not ok.
> >
> > I do know of some bad examples of out-of-tree code abusing debugfs to do
> > crazy things (battery level monitoring?), but that's their own fault...
> >
> > debugfs is for DEBUGGING! For anything you all feel should be "secure",
> > then just disable it entirely.
> >
>
> Debugfs is very, very useful for, ahem, debugging. I really think
> this is an example of why we should split lockdown into the read and
> write varieties and allow mounting and reading debugfs when only write
> is locked down.
Ok, but be sure that there are no "secrets" in those debugging files if
you really buy into the whole "lock down" mess...
Really, it's easier to just disable the whole thing.
greg k-h
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-04-12 8:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-04-11 16:24 [PATCH 00/24] security: Add kernel lockdown David Howells
2018-04-11 16:24 ` [PATCH 01/24] Add the ability to lock down access to the running kernel image David Howells
2018-04-11 16:44 ` Jann Horn
2018-04-11 17:37 ` Randy Dunlap
2018-04-11 18:50 ` Miguel Ojeda
2018-04-11 19:56 ` Greg KH
2018-04-11 17:49 ` David Howells
2018-04-11 18:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-11 18:35 ` Justin Forbes
2018-04-11 21:05 ` Jordan Glover
2018-04-11 22:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-12 13:09 ` Justin Forbes
2018-04-12 16:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-12 2:57 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-04-11 16:24 ` [PATCH 02/24] Add a SysRq option to lift kernel lockdown David Howells
2018-04-11 17:05 ` Jann Horn
2018-04-13 20:22 ` Pavel Machek
2018-04-11 16:24 ` [PATCH 03/24] ima: require secure_boot rules in lockdown mode David Howells
2018-04-11 16:25 ` [PATCH 04/24] Enforce module signatures if the kernel is locked down David Howells
2018-04-11 16:25 ` [PATCH 05/24] Restrict /dev/{mem, kmem, port} when " David Howells
2018-04-11 16:25 ` [PATCH 06/24] kexec_load: Disable at runtime if " David Howells
2018-04-11 19:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-04-11 20:09 ` Mimi Zohar
2018-04-12 11:38 ` Mimi Zohar
2018-04-11 20:05 ` David Howells
2018-04-11 16:25 ` [PATCH 07/24] hibernate: Disable when " David Howells
2018-04-13 20:22 ` Pavel Machek
2018-04-19 14:38 ` David Howells
2018-04-22 14:34 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-04-26 7:26 ` Pavel Machek
2018-04-26 7:34 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-04-26 8:20 ` Jiri Kosina
2018-05-23 8:46 ` joeyli
2018-04-11 16:25 ` [PATCH 08/24] uswsusp: " David Howells
2018-04-11 16:25 ` [PATCH 09/24] PCI: Lock down BAR access " David Howells
2018-04-11 16:25 ` [PATCH 10/24] x86: Lock down IO port " David Howells
2018-04-11 16:25 ` [PATCH 11/24] x86/msr: Restrict MSR " David Howells
2018-04-11 16:25 ` [PATCH 12/24] ACPI: Limit access to custom_method " David Howells
2018-04-11 16:26 ` [PATCH 13/24] acpi: Ignore acpi_rsdp kernel param when the kernel has been " David Howells
2018-04-11 16:26 ` [PATCH 14/24] acpi: Disable ACPI table override if the kernel is " David Howells
2018-04-11 16:26 ` [PATCH 15/24] acpi: Disable APEI error injection " David Howells
2018-04-11 16:26 ` [PATCH 16/24] Prohibit PCMCIA CIS storage when " David Howells
2018-04-11 16:26 ` [PATCH 17/24] Lock down TIOCSSERIAL David Howells
2018-04-11 16:26 ` [PATCH 18/24] Lock down module params that specify hardware parameters (eg. ioport) David Howells
2018-04-11 17:22 ` Randy Dunlap
2018-04-11 16:26 ` [PATCH 19/24] x86/mmiotrace: Lock down the testmmiotrace module David Howells
2018-04-11 16:26 ` [PATCH 20/24] Lock down /proc/kcore David Howells
2018-04-11 16:26 ` [PATCH 21/24] Lock down kprobes David Howells
2018-04-11 16:27 ` [PATCH 22/24] bpf: Restrict kernel image access functions when the kernel is locked down David Howells
2018-04-11 16:27 ` [PATCH 23/24] Lock down perf David Howells
2018-04-11 16:27 ` [PATCH 24/24] debugfs: Restrict debugfs when the kernel is locked down David Howells
2018-04-11 17:26 ` Randy Dunlap
2018-04-11 18:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-04-11 19:54 ` Greg KH
2018-04-11 20:08 ` David Howells
2018-04-11 20:09 ` David Howells
2018-04-11 20:33 ` Greg KH
2018-04-12 2:54 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-04-12 8:23 ` Greg KH [this message]
2018-04-12 14:19 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-04-13 20:22 ` Pavel Machek
2018-04-19 14:35 ` David Howells
2018-05-10 11:01 ` Pavel Machek
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