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Ts'o" To: Jani Nikula Message-ID: <20180503185828.GG29205@thunk.org> Mail-Followup-To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" , Jani Nikula , Sasha Levin , Greg KH , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , "w@1wt.eu" , "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" References: <20180501163818.GD1468@sasha-vm> <20180501194450.GD10479@thunk.org> <20180501200019.GA7397@sasha-vm> <20180501205448.GE10479@thunk.org> <877eol808s.fsf@intel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <877eol808s.fsf@intel.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.5 (2018-04-13) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@thunk.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on imap.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Remote-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Remote-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Greg KH , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , "w@1wt.eu" Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] bug-introducing patches X-BeenThere: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ksummit-discuss-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org Errors-To: ksummit-discuss-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-getmail-retrieved-from-mailbox: INBOX X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Thu, May 03, 2018 at 02:08:51PM +0300, Jani Nikula wrote: > On Tue, 01 May 2018, "Theodore Y. Ts'o" wrote: > > Post -rc3 or -rc4, in my opinion bug fixes should wait until the next > > merge window before they get merged at all. > > What are -rc5 and later for then if not bug fixes? Baffled. Regression fixes? Note that if people stopped introducing regressions to the kernel, we might actually be able to release the final version after -rc6 or even earlier. There's nothing which says that we MUST have -rc7, -rc8, -rc9 releases. If we were actually disciplined in our testing and in what we push into Linus's tree, we might actually be able to go to a two-month release cycle, or perhaps even slightly shorter. But if people insist on trying to fix bugs, and those bugs fixes introduce regressions, then we end up with a longer release cycle, which causes people to want to stuck more bug fixes, or worse, even some feature commits late into the development cycle, and it becomes a vicious cycle with releases taking longer and longer. - Ted _______________________________________________ Ksummit-discuss mailing list Ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ksummit-discuss