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From: Wolfram Sang <wsa@the-dreams.de>
To: Peter Rosin <peda@axentia.se>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Vadim Pasternak <vadimp@mellanox.com>,
	Michael Shych <michaelsh@mellanox.com>,
	Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>,
	Akinobu Mita <akinobu.mita@gmail.com>,
	Jean Delvare <jdelvare@suse.com>,
	linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] i2c: smbus: add unlocked __i2c_smbus_xfer variant
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 14:13:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180701121320.uwhnaggm2wmijkrw@ninjato> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180627070818.4zb3i557qjiicsv7@katana>

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On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 09:08:18AM +0200, Wolfram Sang wrote:
> 
> > Because, thinking more about it, the problem with those allocs are not
> > related to the locking details; adding another trylock to the mix just
> > makes it so much more obvious. I mean, first we would specifically
> > handle atomic/irq context with a trylock "documenting" that atomic/irq
> > users are welcome to at least try xfers, and then we blattantly break
> > the rulez with a GFP_KERNEL alloc...
> 
> Yes, thinking more about it, I came to the conclusion that we should not
> add trylock to SMBus and keep the requirement to allow sleeping.
> 
> True, SMBus is not consistent with I2C then, but actually, I'd prefer
> the consistency the other way around: I wish we had a clear statement
> that i2c_transfer may sleep. And have a dedicated irqless, non-sleeping
> callback for handling the atomic case instead.
> 
> I really don't like the commit which introduced the trylock
> into i2c_transfer[1]. Its commit message even says: "It is the
> reponsability of the caller to ensure that the underlying i2c bus driver
> will not sleep either." Which seems broken to me because I can't see how
> the caller should do that? And most bus drivers will sleep. But that
> commit is upstream for 10 years now, so there are probably users. Which
> also are very hard to spot, I am afraid. I wouldn't see a way to convert
> them off the top of my head.
> 
> [1] cea443a81c9c ("i2c: Support i2c_transfer in atomic contexts")
> 
> > Currently, I assume they are only broken when the alloc happens to
> > need to do more than is allowed from the given context. Something
> > which might or might not be common?
> 
> The only regression now would be using smbus_emulated from atomic
> context. Which is a bug on the caller side because it cannot know if
> smbus_emulated will be used or not. For the non-emulated case, it must
> not be atomic anyhow.
> 
> So, unless I overlooked something, if we decide to not add trylock to
> smbus_xfer, we are all fine?
> 
> And I think we should really keep this clean rule of smbus functions
> being non-atomic.
> 
> D'accord?

So, if no other arguments drop in, I'll apply this series as is next
week.


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  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-01 12:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-20  8:51 [PATCH 0/5] i2c: smbus: add unlocked __i2c_smbus_xfer variant Peter Rosin
2018-06-20  8:51 ` [PATCH 1/5] " Peter Rosin
2018-06-26  2:37   ` Wolfram Sang
2018-06-26 11:54     ` Peter Rosin
2018-06-26 13:46       ` Wolfram Sang
2018-06-27  4:18         ` Peter Rosin
2018-06-27  7:08           ` Wolfram Sang
2018-07-01 12:13             ` Wolfram Sang [this message]
2018-07-01 16:40               ` Peter Rosin
2018-06-20  8:51 ` [PATCH 2/5] i2c: mux: mlxcpld: make use of __i2c_smbus_xfer Peter Rosin
2018-06-20  9:11   ` Michael Shych
2018-06-20  8:51 ` [PATCH 3/5] i2c: mux: pca9541: " Peter Rosin
2018-06-20  8:51 ` [PATCH 4/5] i2c: mux: pca954x: " Peter Rosin
2018-06-20  8:51 ` [PATCH 5/5] i2c: mux: " Peter Rosin
2018-07-03 21:01 ` [PATCH 0/5] i2c: smbus: add unlocked __i2c_smbus_xfer variant Wolfram Sang

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