From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Andrea Parri <andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com>,
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
LKMM Maintainers -- Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Jade Alglave <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>,
Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr>,
Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
dlustig@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] tools/memory-model: Add write ordering by release-acquire and by locks
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 14:10:55 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180706211055.GN3593@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1807061629280.1396-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
On Fri, Jul 06, 2018 at 04:37:21PM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jul 2018, Andrea Parri wrote:
>
> > > At any rate, it looks like instead of strengthening the relation, I
> > > should write a patch that removes it entirely. I also will add new,
> > > stronger relations for use with locking, essentially making spin_lock
> > > and spin_unlock be RCsc.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Ah let me put this forward: please keep an eye on the (generic)
> >
> > queued_spin_lock()
> > queued_spin_unlock()
> >
> > (just to point out an example). Their implementation (in part.,
> > the fast-path) suggests that if we will stick to RCsc lock then
> > we should also stick to RCsc acq. load from RMW and rel. store.
>
> A very good point. The implementation of those routines uses
> atomic_cmpxchg_acquire() to acquire the lock. Unless this is
> implemented with an operation or fence that provides write-write
> ordering (in conjunction with a suitable release), qspinlocks won't
> have the ordering properties that we want.
>
> I'm going to assume that the release operations used for unlocking
> don't need to have any extra properties; only the lock-acquire
> operations need to be special (i.e., stronger than a normal
> smp_load_acquire). This suggests that atomic RMW functions with acquire
> semantics should also use this stronger form of acquire.
>
> Does anybody have a different suggestion?
The approach you suggest makes sense to me. Will, Peter, Daniel, any
reasons why this approach would be a problem for you guys?
Thanx, Paul
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-07-06 21:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-06-21 17:27 [PATCH 2/2] tools/memory-model: Add write ordering by release-acquire and by locks Alan Stern
2018-06-21 18:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-22 3:34 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-22 8:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-22 8:09 ` Will Deacon
2018-06-22 9:55 ` Will Deacon
2018-06-22 10:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-22 10:38 ` Will Deacon
2018-06-22 11:25 ` Andrea Parri
2018-06-22 16:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-22 18:09 ` Alan Stern
2018-06-22 18:30 ` Will Deacon
2018-06-22 19:11 ` Alan Stern
2018-06-22 20:53 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-04 11:53 ` Will Deacon
2018-06-25 8:19 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-03 17:28 ` Alan Stern
2018-07-04 11:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-04 12:13 ` Will Deacon
2018-07-05 14:23 ` Alan Stern
2018-07-05 15:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-04 12:11 ` Will Deacon
2018-07-05 14:00 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-05 14:44 ` Will Deacon
2018-07-05 15:16 ` Daniel Lustig
2018-07-05 15:35 ` Daniel Lustig
2018-07-05 14:21 ` Alan Stern
2018-07-05 14:46 ` Will Deacon
2018-07-05 14:57 ` Alan Stern
2018-07-05 15:15 ` Will Deacon
2018-07-05 15:09 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-06 20:37 ` Alan Stern
2018-07-06 21:10 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2018-07-09 16:52 ` Will Deacon
2018-07-09 17:29 ` Daniel Lustig
2018-07-09 19:18 ` Alan Stern
2018-07-05 15:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-05 15:39 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-05 16:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-05 17:06 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-05 15:44 ` Daniel Lustig
2018-07-05 16:22 ` Will Deacon
2018-07-05 16:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-05 18:12 ` Daniel Lustig
2018-07-05 18:38 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-05 18:44 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-05 23:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-05 23:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-06 9:25 ` Will Deacon
2018-07-06 14:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-25 7:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-25 8:29 ` Andrea Parri
2018-06-25 9:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-22 9:06 ` Andrea Parri
2018-06-22 19:23 ` Alan Stern
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