Re: [PATCH 3/3] arm64: dts: qcom: pm8998: Add thermal zone

[Matthias Kaehlcke <mka@chromium.org>]

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 03:43:34PM -0700, Doug Anderson wrote:
> Hi
> 
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 3:36 PM, David Collins <collinsd@codeaurora.org> wrote:
> > Hello Doug,
> >
> >> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 10:45 AM, David Collins <collinsd@codeaurora.org> wrote:
> >>> On 06/29/2018 04:54 PM, Matthias Kaehlcke wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 02:29:55PM -0700, David Collins wrote:
> >>> ...
> >>>>> The PMIC TEMP_ALARM hardware peripheral will perform an automatic partial
> >>>>> PMIC shutdown upon hitting over-temperature stage 2 (125 C).  This turns
> >>>>> off peripherals within the PMIC that are expected to draw significant
> >>>>> current.  The set of peripherals included varies between PMICs.  This
> >>>>> partial shutdown will occur simultaneously with the triggering of an
> >>>>> interrupt to the APPS processor that informs the qcom-spmi-temp-alarm
> >>>>> driver that an over-temperature threshold has been crossed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The TEMP_ALARM peripheral will perform an automatic full PMIC shutdown
> >>>>> upon hitting over-temperature stage 3 (145 C).  Software won't receive an
> >>>>> interrupt in this case because all power is cut.
> >>>>
> >>>> This information is very useful, thanks David!
> >>>>
> >>>> The (partial) hardware shutdown seems like a good measure of last
> >>>> resort, however I suppose we prefer Linux to initiate a shutdown
> >>>> before losing part of the peripherals (drivers might not be happy
> >>>> about this and probably not revover even when the temperature goes
> >>>> down again) or reach a full PMIC shutdown.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please let me know if there are reasons to prefer to go the hardware
> >>>> limits, it's also an option for device makers to overwrite these
> >>>> settings if they want different behavior.
> >>>
> >>> Disabling stage 3 automatic full PMIC shutdown at 145 C is definitely a
> >>> bad idea.  This exists as a last resort in order to save the hardware and
> >>> ensure end user safety in case of excessive temperature even if software
> >>> is locked up.
> >>>
> >>> Disabling stage 2 automatic partial PMIC shutdown at 125 C is not
> >>> recommended as the PMIC is already outside of reasonable operating
> >>> conditions and needs to take corrective action quickly.  However, doing so
> >>> may be acceptable if software is taking action to shut down the system
> >>> immediately upon receiving the stage 2 over-temperature interrupt.
> >>> Just to confirm: is it expected that at stage 2 the CPU's on the SoC
> >> should continue running even with partial PMIC shutdown enabled?
> >
> > This is not guaranteed.
> >
> >
> >> It sounded to me like partial PMIC shutdown was supposed to shut down
> >> high-power rails that were not essential to the task of performing an
> >> orderly shutdown.
> >
> > Shutting down high-power peripherals is accurate; however, special care is
> > not taken to ensure that an orderly shutdown is possible.  At the very
> > least, the HW and SW state will be out of sync for the peripherals that
> > are shut down.
> 
> OK, I guess I'm confused now.  Why does partial PMIC shutdown even
> exist then?  What is the point of leaving some rails alive if software
> could stop running?  It seems like it would be better to just shut
> everything down.
> 
> Said another way: can you describe what benefit you see for only
> partially shutting down the PMIC at stage 2 compared to just fully
> shutting it down at stage 2?
> 
> 
> >> I think Matthias was seeing that when he reached stage 2 and partial
> >> PMIC shutdown happened that the system was just falling on the floor.
> >> ...maybe we just have things configured incorrectly?
> >
> > More information about the exact crash steps would be helpful to
> > investigate this further.  I'm not sure how much time you want to put into
> > it though.
> 
> Matthias can add more, but basically he heated the system up and when
> it reached the stage 2 shutdown it was no longer responsive.

The system behaved as on a warm reset when reaching stage 2
temperature, no kernel crash, but messages in /dev/pstore were
preserved.