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From: lkcl@lkcl.net
To: martin@lichtvoll.de
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 13:09:09 +0100
Message-ID: <20180930120909.30469-1-lkcl@lkcl.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2936237.GcMzexieOU@merkaba>

> That written: Quite some of the rude mails that contained swearwords I 
> read from you have been about code, not persons. I think this is an 
> important distinction. I do not have much of an issue with swearing at 
> code :), especially when it is in some humorous way.

 absolutely, and this is one thing that a lot of people are, sadly,
 trained pretty much from birth to be incapable of understanding:
 namely the difference between criticism of the PERSON and criticism
 of the ACTION.

 (1) "YOU are bad! GO STAND IN THE NAUGHTY CORNER!"
 (2) "That was a BAD thing to do!"
 (3) "That hurt my feelings that you did that"

 the first is the way that poorly-trained parents and kindergarten
 teachers talk to children.

 the second is... only marginally better, but it's a start

 the third is how UNICEF trains teachers to treat children as human beings.

> Code quality indeed is important.
> As are human interactions.

 absolutely.  it's not about the code, it's always, *always* about people.
 we just happen to be writing code, but ultimately we are doing so in the
 service of other PEOPLE.

 l.


  reply index

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-16 19:22 Linus Torvalds
2018-09-16 21:42 ` [...] " Adam Borowski
2018-09-16 23:59   ` Moritz Obermeier
2018-09-17  0:18 ` Linux 4.19-rc4 released, " Rene Herman
2018-09-17  0:20 ` [...] " Andy Isaacson
2018-09-17  0:23 ` Linux 4.19-rc4 released, " Rene Herman
2018-09-17  6:57 ` opal hart
2018-09-17  7:57 ` […] " Martin Steigerwald
2018-09-17  8:53   ` Martin Steigerwald
2018-09-30 12:09     ` lkcl [this message]
2018-09-30 14:07       ` Linux 4.19-rc4 released, " Martin Steigerwald
2018-09-30 16:27         ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2018-09-17 12:58 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-17 17:09 ` Joe Perches
2018-09-17 21:09 ` Michael Woods
2018-09-18  1:30   ` Pavel Snajdr
2018-09-21 22:13     ` Michael Woods
2018-10-04 14:57     ` ebiederm
2018-10-08 15:29       ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2018-10-08 13:54     ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2018-10-08 16:36 ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult

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