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From: Bruce Fields <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Aleksa Sarai <cyphar@cyphar.com>
Cc: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	jlayton@kernel.org, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	shuah@kernel.org, David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	christian@brauner.io, Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.ws>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, dev@opencontainers.org,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] namei: implement AT_THIS_ROOT chroot-like path resolution
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2018 09:55:58 -0400
Message-ID: <20181001135558.GB25003@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181001054246.gfinmx3api7kjhmc@ryuk>

On Mon, Oct 01, 2018 at 03:44:28PM +1000, Aleksa Sarai wrote:
> On 2018-09-29, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com> wrote:
> > The problem is what happens if a folder you are walking through is
> > concurrently moved out of the chroot. Consider the following scenario:
> > 
> > You attempt to open "C/../../etc/passwd" under the root "/A/B".
> > Something else concurrently moves /A/B/C to /A/C. This can result in
> > the following:
> > 
> > 1. You start the path walk and reach /A/B/C.
> > 2. The other process moves /A/B/C to /A/C. Your path walk is now at /A/C.
> > 3. Your path walk follows the first ".." up into /A. This is outside
> > the process root, but you never actually encountered the process root,
> > so you don't notice.
> > 4. Your path walk follows the second ".." up to /. Again, this is
> > outside the process root, but you don't notice.
> > 5. Your path walk walks down to /etc/passwd, and the open completes
> > successfully. You now have an fd pointing outside your chroot.
> > 
> > If the root of your walk is below an attacker-controlled directory,
> > this of course means that you lose instantly. If you point the root of
> > the walk at a directory out of which a process in the container
> > wouldn't be able to move the file, you're probably kinda mostly fine -
> > as long as you know, for certain, that nothing else on the system
> > would ever do that. But I still wouldn't feel good about that.
> 
> Please correct me if I'm wrong here (this is the first patch I've
> written for VFS). Isn't the retry/LOOKUP_REVAL code meant to handle this

No.

...
> Speaking naively, doesn't it make sense to invalidate the walk if a path
> component was modified? Or is this something that would be far too
> costly with little benefit?

Lookups and renames can definitely proceed in parallel, and yes I
suspect it would be difficult to get good performance and guaranteed
forward progress if you required lookup of the full path to be atomic
with respect to renames.

--b.

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Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-29 10:34 [PATCH 0/3] namei: implement various scoping AT_* flags Aleksa Sarai
2018-09-29 10:34 ` [PATCH 1/3] namei: implement O_BENEATH-style " Aleksa Sarai
2018-09-29 14:48   ` Christian Brauner
2018-09-29 15:34     ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-09-30  4:38   ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-10-01 12:28   ` Jann Horn
2018-10-01 13:00     ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-01 16:04       ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-10-04 17:20         ` Christian Brauner
2018-09-29 13:15 ` [PATCH 2/3] namei: implement AT_THIS_ROOT chroot-like path resolution Aleksa Sarai
2018-09-29 13:15   ` [PATCH 3/3] selftests: vfs: add AT_* path resolution tests Aleksa Sarai
2018-09-29 16:35   ` [PATCH 2/3] namei: implement AT_THIS_ROOT chroot-like path resolution Jann Horn
2018-09-29 17:25     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-01  9:46       ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-10-01  5:44     ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-10-01 10:13       ` Jann Horn
2018-10-01 16:18         ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-10-04 17:27           ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-01 10:42       ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-01 11:29         ` Jann Horn
2018-10-01 12:35           ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-01 13:55       ` Bruce Fields [this message]
2018-10-01 14:28       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-02  7:32         ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-10-03 22:09           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-06 20:56           ` Florian Weimer
2018-10-06 21:49             ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-01 14:00     ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-04 16:26     ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-10-04 17:31       ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-04 18:26       ` Jann Horn
2018-10-05 15:07         ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-10-05 15:55           ` Jann Horn
2018-10-06  2:10             ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-10-08 10:50               ` Jann Horn
2018-09-29 14:25 ` [PATCH 0/3] namei: implement various scoping AT_* flags Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-29 15:45   ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-09-29 16:34     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-29 19:44       ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-09-29 14:38 ` Christian Brauner
2018-09-30  4:44   ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-09-30 13:54 ` Alban Crequy
2018-09-30 14:02   ` Christian Brauner
2018-09-30 19:45 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-09-30 21:46   ` Jann Horn
2018-09-30 22:37     ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-10-01 20:14       ` James Morris
2018-10-01  4:08 ` Dave Chinner
2018-10-01  5:47   ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-10-01  6:14     ` Dave Chinner
2018-10-01 13:28 ` David Laight
2018-10-01 16:15   ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-10-03 13:21     ` David Laight

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