From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4441BC65C20 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 12:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E863D2085B for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 12:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key) header.d=sirena.org.uk header.i=@sirena.org.uk header.b="eYDE/pRT" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org E863D2085B Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=kernel.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727768AbeJHTOG (ORCPT ); Mon, 8 Oct 2018 15:14:06 -0400 Received: from heliosphere.sirena.org.uk ([172.104.155.198]:43512 "EHLO heliosphere.sirena.org.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726771AbeJHTOG (ORCPT ); Mon, 8 Oct 2018 15:14:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sirena.org.uk; s=20170815-heliosphere; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=4zM7joX3kGQmn2PkKa8CCXCvpW50J8l8UNfGvZ8tZkY=; b=eYDE/pRTdCn65NVawh0a//30E LtM5kZPtLWhB1TNYCoQVanHfgnoCs2Qv+zo1BrDQLFa3ry14jBWCIs+pmynhIYXa7gyWmj9xgqIb6 P6DV9YgXg3NEV4/A3V+pFde3e9Y5AtxBPGUyUGdlS1itWFhStTeEWogTIKsvSZ164joDw=; Received: from cpc102320-sgyl38-2-0-cust46.18-2.cable.virginm.net ([82.37.168.47] helo=debutante.sirena.org.uk) by heliosphere.sirena.org.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1g9UFB-0002XX-75; Mon, 08 Oct 2018 12:02:37 +0000 Received: by debutante.sirena.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A45AF1122339; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 13:02:36 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 13:02:36 +0100 From: Mark Brown To: Josh Triplett Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven , James Bottomley , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors Message-ID: <20181008120236.GD5684@sirena.org.uk> References: <20181007085102.17795-1-geert@linux-m68k.org> <20181007113514.GA21217@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9dgjiU4MmWPVapMU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20181007113514.GA21217@localhost> X-Cookie: There's no time like the pleasant. User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --9dgjiU4MmWPVapMU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 04:35:14AM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 10:51:02AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false > > impression that discrimination based on other unlisted factors would be > > allowed. > > Avoid any ambiguity by removing the list, to ensure "a harassment-free > > experience for everyone", period. > I would suggest reading the commit message that added this in the first > place. "Explicit guidelines have demonstrated success in other projects > and other areas of the kernel." See also various comparisons of codes of > conduct, which make the same point. The point of this list is precisely > to serve as one such explicit guideline; removing it would rather defeat > the purpose. The Debian code of conduct also omits the explicit list of factors. In their case it was a deliberate decision due to a real fear that people involved in and adjacent to the project would try to rules lawyer an explict list and wanting to make the code of conduct robust against that. The communities seem similar enough that it's worth thinking about for the kernel as well, Debian has had to deal with some serious problems in the past so there's some experience behind the decisions there. > In any case, this is not the appropriate place for such patches, any > more than it's the place for patches to the GPL. 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