From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281F3C43441 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 20:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD4A2082B for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 20:31:02 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key) header.d=infradead.org header.i=@infradead.org header.b="nGqFDLJl" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org CFD4A2082B Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=kernel.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727860AbeJKDyt (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Oct 2018 23:54:49 -0400 Received: from bombadil.infradead.org ([198.137.202.133]:57088 "EHLO bombadil.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727689AbeJKDyt (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Oct 2018 23:54:49 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infradead.org; s=bombadil.20170209; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To: From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=U2rvBwXW/fPqTsz5DmDd8pPlH/yC7gzw3T/tRBgERV8=; b=nGqFDLJle4CoCQts/KXhHRXQZ jKoWxIyEUqKpYGjrybZSXssgToPDEUKW5QiYUexXrd3qykQIhqBVVoPgwkO7aTiUGyvi6Fp0yrVZQ JRm5ASER7ovOw/ndk+LIoHZtAdFqqjK510Wf/sO6mxANkfe+oe/jMXONS+P3Wv0t8ZAN/ytmMCSJy uKUaIenKksnuA6kiIMltREp/zz3WalMYS6OWFcgQw1yca7uwwK8i3sayzQ2P86o4Q10wk8/0J7Tea plgNgl8o0jkucAXBUwWu1rpU7B+zJcGffGGhGaUYWlZH+Rz2Qkf779KIr3fYJB8jl3ZEdUMt/BJyC hpDNN0oWg==; Received: from 177.43.144.224.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br ([177.43.144.224] helo=coco.lan) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.90_1 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1gAL8E-0003rZ-LG; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 20:30:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 17:30:55 -0300 From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab To: Alan Cox Cc: James Bottomley , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, linux-kernel Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 2/2] code-of-conduct: Strip the enforcement paragraph pending community discussion Message-ID: <20181010173055.5ea10f95@coco.lan> In-Reply-To: <20181010210948.62ed5ce6@alans-desktop> References: <1538861738.4088.5.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <1538861851.4088.7.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20181008172303.4f06cd94@coco.lan> <20181010165308.187aae51@alans-desktop> <20181010141917.611fb5d8@coco.lan> <20181010210948.62ed5ce6@alans-desktop> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Em Wed, 10 Oct 2018 21:09:48 +0100 Alan Cox escreveu: > On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 14:19:17 -0300 > Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > > Em Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:53:08 +0100 > > Alan Cox escreveu: > > > > > > -Maintainers have the right and responsibility to remove, edit, or reject > > > > +Maintainers may remove, edit, or reject > > > > comments, commits, code, wiki edits, issues, and other contributions that are > > > > not aligned to this Code of Conduct, or to ban temporarily or permanently any > > > > contributor for other behaviors that they deem inappropriate, threatening, > > > > > > > > The previous text seems too much legal for my taste. > > > > > > > > > > That is just as confusing. Maintainers have the right to remove, edit, > > > reject commits that *are* aligned with the code as well. > > > > Good point. Yeah, a maintainer can do whatever he thinks it is > > appropriate for a patch - even when it follows the CoC. > > > > > So what exactly is the point here ? > > > > The point is "responsibility" - that sounds like it is bounding a legal > > duty to a maintainer. > > If you remove the responsibility aspect you might as well remove the > entire clause. It doesn't say anything as it's simply a subset of what > maintainers do anyway. > > So how about > > "Maintainers should remove, edit or reject..." > > that keeps the sense that there should be pressure against abusive > behaviour. Works for me. > except of course someone will attach a zero day exploit and fix to a > coc-violating rant and then you are a bit stuffed 8) :-) Thanks, Mauro