From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011B9C43441 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 20:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28CB2087D for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 20:10:01 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org B28CB2087D Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727814AbeJKDdn (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Oct 2018 23:33:43 -0400 Received: from www.llwyncelyn.cymru ([82.70.14.225]:38404 "EHLO fuzix.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726911AbeJKDdn (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Oct 2018 23:33:43 -0400 Received: from alans-desktop (82-70-14-226.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.70.14.226]) by fuzix.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w9AK9nD0010281; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 21:09:49 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 21:09:48 +0100 From: Alan Cox To: Mauro Carvalho Chehab Cc: James Bottomley , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, linux-kernel Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 2/2] code-of-conduct: Strip the enforcement paragraph pending community discussion Message-ID: <20181010210948.62ed5ce6@alans-desktop> In-Reply-To: <20181010141917.611fb5d8@coco.lan> References: <1538861738.4088.5.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <1538861851.4088.7.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20181008172303.4f06cd94@coco.lan> <20181010165308.187aae51@alans-desktop> <20181010141917.611fb5d8@coco.lan> Organization: Intel Corporation X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 14:19:17 -0300 Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > Em Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:53:08 +0100 > Alan Cox escreveu: > > > > -Maintainers have the right and responsibility to remove, edit, or reject > > > +Maintainers may remove, edit, or reject > > > comments, commits, code, wiki edits, issues, and other contributions that are > > > not aligned to this Code of Conduct, or to ban temporarily or permanently any > > > contributor for other behaviors that they deem inappropriate, threatening, > > > > > > The previous text seems too much legal for my taste. > > > > > > > That is just as confusing. Maintainers have the right to remove, edit, > > reject commits that *are* aligned with the code as well. > > Good point. Yeah, a maintainer can do whatever he thinks it is > appropriate for a patch - even when it follows the CoC. > > > So what exactly is the point here ? > > The point is "responsibility" - that sounds like it is bounding a legal > duty to a maintainer. If you remove the responsibility aspect you might as well remove the entire clause. It doesn't say anything as it's simply a subset of what maintainers do anyway. So how about "Maintainers should remove, edit or reject..." that keeps the sense that there should be pressure against abusive behaviour. except of course someone will attach a zero day exploit and fix to a coc-violating rant and then you are a bit stuffed 8) Alan