From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Daniel Wang <wonderfly@google.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.com>, Peter Feiner <pfeiner@google.com>,
linux-serial@vger.kernel.org,
Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 2/4] printk: move printk_safe macros to printk header
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:17:52 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181016121752.GA2537@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181016114006.6q5atyaitapcwbud@pathway.suse.cz>
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 01:40:06PM +0200, Petr Mladek wrote:
> On Tue 2018-10-16 09:27:19, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > Instead of this tinkering around the edges, why don't you make the main
> > logbuf a lockless ringbuffer and then delegate the actual printing of
> > that buffer to a kthread, except for earlycon, which can do synchronous
> > output.
>
> In fact, there is no problem with printk log buffer. This patchset
> tries to avoid deadlock caused by console-specific locks
> used by console->write() methods.
>
> By other words, we neither need printk_safe or lockless log buffer
> to fix this prolem. Instead, we need either printk_deferred context
> or lockless consoles.
If you have a lockless buffer and a trailing printk thread, that's
deferred.
And earlycon _should_ be lockless (yes, I know, some suck)
But if you do this deferred nonsense that's currently in printk, then
you risk never seeing the message -- the same problem I have with the
whole printk_safe thing too.
Printing _after_ the fact is horrible for robustness.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-10-16 12:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-10-16 5:04 [RFC][PATCHv2 0/4] less deadlock prone serial consoles Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-10-16 5:04 ` [RFC][PATCHv2 1/4] panic: avoid deadlocks in re-entrant console drivers Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-10-17 4:48 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-10-23 11:07 ` Petr Mladek
2018-10-23 11:54 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-10-23 12:04 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-10-23 12:12 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-10-25 9:06 ` Petr Mladek
2018-10-25 9:31 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-10-25 8:29 ` Petr Mladek
2018-10-25 9:05 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-10-25 10:10 ` [PATCHv3] " Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-10-25 10:51 ` kbuild test robot
2018-10-25 11:56 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-10-31 12:27 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-01 1:48 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-01 8:08 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-22 13:12 ` Petr Mladek
2018-12-12 0:53 ` Daniel Wang
2018-12-12 5:23 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-12-12 5:59 ` Daniel Wang
2018-12-12 6:06 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-12-12 6:09 ` Daniel Wang
2018-10-16 5:04 ` [RFC][PATCHv2 2/4] printk: move printk_safe macros to printk header Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-10-16 7:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-16 11:40 ` Petr Mladek
2018-10-16 12:17 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2018-10-17 10:50 ` Petr Mladek
2018-10-17 14:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-22 14:30 ` Petr Mladek
2018-10-16 12:27 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-10-16 12:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-16 12:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-16 14:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-17 4:32 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-10-17 7:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-17 13:36 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-10-23 6:25 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-10-16 5:04 ` [RFC][PATCHv2 3/4] serial: introduce uart_port locking helpers Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-12-08 3:12 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-12-12 11:08 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-16 5:04 ` [RFC][PATCHv2 4/4] tty: 8250: switch to " Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-10-16 7:23 ` [RFC][PATCHv2 0/4] less deadlock prone serial consoles Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-16 8:12 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
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