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* [RFC PATCH v3] media: docs-rst: Document m2m stateless video decoder interface
@ 2018-10-19  8:09 Alexandre Courbot
  2018-10-19  8:43 ` Hans Verkuil
                   ` (3 more replies)
  0 siblings, 4 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Alexandre Courbot @ 2018-10-19  8:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tomasz Figa, Paul Kocialkowski, Mauro Carvalho Chehab,
	Hans Verkuil, Pawel Osciak, linux-media
  Cc: linux-kernel, Alexandre Courbot

Thanks everyone for the feedback on v2! I have not replied to all the
individual emails but hope this v3 will address some of the problems
raised and become a continuation point for the topics still in
discussion (probably during the ELCE Media Summit).

This patch documents the protocol that user-space should follow when
communicating with stateless video decoders. It is based on the
following references:

* The current protocol used by Chromium (converted from config store to
  request API)

* The submitted Cedrus VPU driver

As such, some things may not be entirely consistent with the current
state of drivers, so it would be great if all stakeholders could point
out these inconsistencies. :)

This patch is supposed to be applied on top of the Request API V18 as
well as the memory-to-memory video decoder interface series by Tomasz
Figa.

Changes since v2:

* Specify that the frame header controls should be set prior to
  enumerating the CAPTURE queue, instead of the profile which as Paul
  and Tomasz pointed out is not enough to know which raw formats will be
  usable.
* Change V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SLICE_PARAM to
  V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SLICE_PARAMS.
* Various rewording and rephrasing

Two points being currently discussed have not been changed in this
revision due to lack of better idea. Of course this is open to change:

* The restriction of having to send full frames for each input buffer is
  kept as-is. As Hans pointed, we currently have a hard limit of 32
  buffers per queue, and it may be non-trivial to lift. Also some codecs
  (at least Venus AFAIK) do have this restriction in hardware, so unless
  we want to do some buffer-rearranging in-kernel, it is probably better
  to keep the default behavior as-is. Finally, relaxing the rule should
  be easy enough if we add one extra control to query whether the
  hardware can work with slice units, as opposed to frame units.

* The other hot topic is the use of capture buffer indexes in order to
  reference frames. I understand the concerns, but I doesn't seem like
  we have come with a better proposal so far - and since capture buffers
  are essentially well, frames, using their buffer index to directly
  reference them doesn't sound too inappropriate to me. There is also
  the restriction that drivers must return capture buffers in queue
  order. Do we have any concrete example where this scenario would not
  work?

As usual, thanks for the insightful comments, and let's make sure we are
ready for a fruitful discussion during the Summit! :)

Signed-off-by: Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@chromium.org>
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 .../media/uapi/v4l/dev-stateless-decoder.rst  | 360 ++++++++++++++++++
 Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/devices.rst      |   1 +
 .../media/uapi/v4l/extended-controls.rst      |  25 ++
 .../media/uapi/v4l/pixfmt-compressed.rst      |  54 ++-
 4 files changed, 436 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
 create mode 100644 Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/dev-stateless-decoder.rst

diff --git a/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/dev-stateless-decoder.rst b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/dev-stateless-decoder.rst
new file mode 100644
index 000000000000..d9a0092adcb7
--- /dev/null
+++ b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/dev-stateless-decoder.rst
@@ -0,0 +1,360 @@
+.. -*- coding: utf-8; mode: rst -*-
+
+.. _stateless_decoder:
+
+**************************************************
+Memory-to-memory Stateless Video Decoder Interface
+**************************************************
+
+A stateless decoder is a decoder that works without retaining any kind of state
+between processing frames. This means that each frame is decoded independently
+of any previous and future frames, and that the client is responsible for
+maintaining the decoding state and providing it to the driver. This is in
+contrast to the stateful video decoder interface, where the hardware maintains
+the decoding state and all the client has to do is to provide the raw encoded
+stream.
+
+This section describes how user-space ("the client") is expected to communicate
+with such decoders in order to successfully decode an encoded stream. Compared
+to stateful codecs, the driver/client sequence is simpler, but the cost of this
+simplicity is extra complexity in the client which must maintain a consistent
+decoding state.
+
+Querying capabilities
+=====================
+
+1. To enumerate the set of coded formats supported by the driver, the client
+   calls :c:func:`VIDIOC_ENUM_FMT` on the ``OUTPUT`` queue.
+
+   * The driver must always return the full set of supported ``OUTPUT`` formats,
+     irrespective of the format currently set on the ``CAPTURE`` queue.
+
+   * Simultaneously, the driver must restrain the set of values returned by
+     codec-specific capability controls (such as H.264 profiles) to the set
+     actually supported by the hardware.
+
+2. To enumerate the set of supported raw formats, the client calls
+   :c:func:`VIDIOC_ENUM_FMT` on the ``CAPTURE`` queue.
+
+   * The driver must return only the formats supported for the format currently
+     active on the ``OUTPUT`` queue.
+
+   * Depending on the currently set ``OUTPUT`` format, the set of supported raw
+     formats may depend on the value of some controls (e.g. parsed format
+     headers) which are codec-dependent. The client is responsible for making
+     sure that these controls are set before querying the ``CAPTURE`` queue.
+     Failure to do so will result in the default values for these controls being
+     used, and a returned set of formats that may not be usable for the media
+     the client is trying to decode.
+
+3. The client may use :c:func:`VIDIOC_ENUM_FRAMESIZES` to detect supported
+   resolutions for a given format, passing desired pixel format in
+   :c:type:`v4l2_frmsizeenum`'s ``pixel_format``.
+
+   * Values returned by :c:func:`VIDIOC_ENUM_FRAMESIZES` on ``OUTPUT`` queue
+     must include all possible coded resolutions supported by the decoder
+     for the current coded pixel format.
+
+   * Values returned by :c:func:`VIDIOC_ENUM_FRAMESIZES` on ``CAPTURE`` queue
+     must include all possible frame buffer resolutions supported by the
+     decoder for given raw pixel format and coded format currently set on
+     ``OUTPUT`` queue.
+
+    .. note::
+
+       The client may derive the supported resolution range for a
+       combination of coded and raw format by setting width and height of
+       ``OUTPUT`` format to 0 and calculating the intersection of
+       resolutions returned from calls to :c:func:`VIDIOC_ENUM_FRAMESIZES`
+       for the given coded and raw formats.
+
+4. Supported profiles and levels for given format, if applicable, may be
+   queried using their respective controls via :c:func:`VIDIOC_QUERYCTRL`.
+
+Initialization
+==============
+
+1. *[optional]* Enumerate supported ``OUTPUT`` formats and resolutions. See
+   "Querying capabilities".
+
+2. Set the coded format on the ``OUTPUT`` queue via :c:func:`VIDIOC_S_FMT`
+
+   * **Required fields:**
+
+     ``type``
+         a ``V4L2_BUF_TYPE_*`` enum appropriate for ``OUTPUT``
+
+     ``pixelformat``
+         a coded pixel format
+
+     ``width``, ``height``
+         coded width and height parsed from the stream
+
+     other fields
+         follow standard semantics
+
+   .. note::
+
+      Changing ``OUTPUT`` format may change currently set ``CAPTURE``
+      format. The driver will derive a new ``CAPTURE`` format from the
+      ``OUTPUT`` format being set, including resolution, colorimetry
+      parameters, etc. If the client needs a specific ``CAPTURE`` format,
+      it must adjust it afterwards.
+
+3. Call :c:func:`VIDIOC_S_EXT_CTRLS` to set all the controls (parsed headers,
+   etc.) required by the ``OUTPUT`` format to enumerate the ``CAPTURE`` formats.
+
+4. Call :c:func:`VIDIOC_G_FMT` for ``CAPTURE`` queue to get the format for the
+   destination buffers parsed/decoded from the bitstream.
+
+   * **Required fields:**
+
+     ``type``
+         a ``V4L2_BUF_TYPE_*`` enum appropriate for ``CAPTURE``
+
+   * **Returned fields:**
+
+     ``width``, ``height``
+         frame buffer resolution for the decoded frames
+
+     ``pixelformat``
+         pixel format for decoded frames
+
+     ``num_planes`` (for _MPLANE ``type`` only)
+         number of planes for pixelformat
+
+     ``sizeimage``, ``bytesperline``
+         as per standard semantics; matching frame buffer format
+
+   .. note::
+
+      The value of ``pixelformat`` may be any pixel format supported for the
+      ``OUTPUT`` format, based on the hardware capabilities. It is suggested
+      that driver chooses the preferred/optimal format for the current
+      configuration. For example, a YUV format may be preferred over an RGB
+      format, if an additional conversion step would be required for RGB.
+
+5. *[optional]* Enumerate ``CAPTURE`` formats via :c:func:`VIDIOC_ENUM_FMT` on
+   the ``CAPTURE`` queue. The client may use this ioctl to discover which
+   alternative raw formats are supported for the current ``OUTPUT`` format and
+   select one of them via :c:func:`VIDIOC_S_FMT`.
+
+   .. note::
+
+      The driver will return only formats supported for the currently selected
+      ``OUTPUT`` format, even if more formats may be supported by the driver in
+      general.
+
+      For example, a driver/hardware may support YUV and RGB formats for
+      resolutions 1920x1088 and lower, but only YUV for higher resolutions (due
+      to hardware limitations). After setting a resolution of 1920x1088 or lower
+      as the ``OUTPUT`` format, :c:func:`VIDIOC_ENUM_FMT` may return a set of
+      YUV and RGB pixel formats, but after setting a resolution higher than
+      1920x1088, the driver will not return RGB pixel formats, since they are
+      unsupported for this resolution.
+
+6. *[optional]* Choose a different ``CAPTURE`` format than suggested via
+   :c:func:`VIDIOC_S_FMT` on ``CAPTURE`` queue. It is possible for the client to
+   choose a different format than selected/suggested by the driver in
+   :c:func:`VIDIOC_G_FMT`.
+
+    * **Required fields:**
+
+      ``type``
+          a ``V4L2_BUF_TYPE_*`` enum appropriate for ``CAPTURE``
+
+      ``pixelformat``
+          a raw pixel format
+
+7. Allocate source (bitstream) buffers via :c:func:`VIDIOC_REQBUFS` on
+   ``OUTPUT`` queue.
+
+    * **Required fields:**
+
+      ``count``
+          requested number of buffers to allocate; greater than zero
+
+      ``type``
+          a ``V4L2_BUF_TYPE_*`` enum appropriate for ``OUTPUT``
+
+      ``memory``
+          follows standard semantics
+
+      ``sizeimage``
+          follows standard semantics; the client is free to choose any
+          suitable size, however, it may be subject to change by the
+          driver
+
+    * **Return fields:**
+
+      ``count``
+          actual number of buffers allocated
+
+    * The driver must adjust count to the minimum of required number of
+      ``OUTPUT`` buffers for the given format and requested count. The client
+      must check this value after the ioctl returns to get the number of buffers
+      allocated.
+
+    .. note::
+
+       To allocate more than the minimum number of buffers (for pipeline depth),
+       use c:func:`VIDIOC_G_CTRL` (``V4L2_CID_MIN_BUFFERS_FOR_OUTPUT``) to get
+       the minimum number of buffers required by the driver/format, and pass the
+       obtained value plus the number of additional buffers needed in count to
+       :c:func:`VIDIOC_REQBUFS`.
+
+8. Allocate destination (raw format) buffers via :c:func:`VIDIOC_REQBUFS` on the
+   ``CAPTURE`` queue.
+
+    * **Required fields:**
+
+      ``count``
+          requested number of buffers to allocate; greater than zero
+
+      ``type``
+          a ``V4L2_BUF_TYPE_*`` enum appropriate for ``CAPTURE``
+
+      ``memory``
+          follows standard semantics
+
+    * **Return fields:**
+
+      ``count``
+          adjusted to allocated number of buffers
+
+    * The driver must adjust count to the minimum of required number of
+      ``CAPTURE`` buffers for the current format, stream configuration and
+      requested count. The client must check this value after the ioctl
+      returns to get the number of buffers allocated.
+
+    .. note::
+
+       To allocate more than the minimum number of buffers (for pipeline depth),
+       use c:func:`VIDIOC_G_CTRL` (``V4L2_CID_MIN_BUFFERS_FOR_CAPTURE``) to get
+       the minimum number of buffers required by the driver/format, and pass the
+       obtained value plus the number of additional buffers needed in count to
+       :c:func:`VIDIOC_REQBUFS`.
+
+9. Allocate requests (likely one per ``OUTPUT`` buffer) via
+    :c:func:`MEDIA_IOC_REQUEST_ALLOC` on the media device.
+
+10. Start streaming on both ``OUTPUT`` and ``CAPTURE`` queues via
+    :c:func:`VIDIOC_STREAMON`.
+
+Decoding
+========
+
+For each frame, the client is responsible for submitting a request to which the
+following is attached:
+
+* Exactly one frame worth of encoded data in a buffer submitted to the
+  ``OUTPUT`` queue,
+* All the controls relevant to the format being decoded (see below for details).
+
+.. note::
+
+   The API currently requires one frame of encoded data per ``OUTPUT`` buffer,
+   even though some encoded formats may present their data in smaller chunks
+   (e.g. H.264's frames can be made of several slices that can be processed
+   independently). It is currently the responsibility of the client to gather
+   the different parts of a frame into a single ``OUTPUT`` buffer, if required
+   by the encoded format. This restriction may be lifted in the future.
+
+``CAPTURE`` buffers must not be part of the request, and are queued
+independently. The driver will always pick the least recently queued ``CAPTURE``
+buffer and decode the frame into it. ``CAPTURE`` buffers will be returned in
+decode order (i.e. the same order as ``OUTPUT`` buffers were submitted),
+therefore it is trivial for the client to know which ``CAPTURE`` buffer will
+be used for a given frame. This point is essential for referencing frames since
+we use the ``CAPTURE`` buffer index for that.
+
+If the request is submitted without an ``OUTPUT`` buffer, then
+:c:func:`MEDIA_REQUEST_IOC_QUEUE` will return ``-ENOENT``. If more than one
+buffer is queued, or if some of the required controls are missing, then it will
+return ``-EINVAL``. Decoding errors are signaled by the ``CAPTURE`` buffers
+being dequeued carrying the ``V4L2_BUF_FLAG_ERROR`` flag. If a reference frame
+has an error, then all other frames that refer to it will also have the
+``V4L2_BUF_FLAG_ERROR`` flag set.
+
+The contents of source ``OUTPUT`` buffers, as well as the controls that must be
+set on the request, depend on active coded pixel format and might be affected by
+codec-specific extended controls, as stated in documentation of each format.
+
+Buffer management during decoding
+=================================
+Contrary to stateful decoder drivers, a stateless decoder driver does not
+perform any kind of buffer management. It only guarantees that ``CAPTURE``
+buffers will be dequeued in the same order as they are queued, and that
+``OUTPUT`` buffers will be processed in queue order. This allows user-space to
+know in advance which ``CAPTURE`` buffer will contain a given frame, and thus to
+use that buffer ID as the key to indicate a reference frame.
+
+This also means that user-space is fully responsible for not re-queuing a
+``CAPTURE`` buffer as long as it is used as a reference frame. Failure to do so
+will result in the reference frame's data being overwritten while still in use,
+and visual corruption of future frames.
+
+Note that this applies to all types of buffers, and not only to
+``V4L2_MEMORY_MMAP`` ones. Drivers supporting ``V4L2_MEMORY_DMABUF`` will
+typically maintain a map of buffer IDs to DMABUF handles for reference frame
+management. Queueing a buffer will result in the map entry to be overwritten
+with the new DMABUF handle submitted in the :c:func:`VIDIOC_QBUF` ioctl, and
+the previous DMABUF handles to be freed.
+
+Seek
+====
+In order to seek, the client just needs to submit requests using input buffers
+corresponding to the new stream position. It must however be aware that
+resolution may have changed and follow the dynamic resolution change sequence in
+that case. Also depending on the codec used, picture parameters (e.g. SPS/PPS
+for H.264) may have changed and the client is responsible for making sure that
+a valid state is sent to the kernel.
+
+The client is then free to ignore any returned ``CAPTURE`` buffer that comes
+from the pre-seek position.
+
+Pause
+=====
+
+In order to pause, the client should just cease queuing buffers onto the
+``OUTPUT`` queue. This is different from the general V4L2 API definition of
+pause, which involves calling :c:func:`VIDIOC_STREAMOFF` on the queue.
+Without source bitstream data, there is no data to process and the hardware
+remains idle.
+
+Dynamic resolution change
+=========================
+
+If the client detects a resolution change in the stream, it will need to perform
+the initialization sequence again with the new resolution:
+
+1. Wait until all submitted requests have completed and dequeue the
+   corresponding output buffers.
+
+2. Call :c:func:`VIDIOC_STREAMOFF` on both the ``OUTPUT`` and ``CAPTURE``
+   queues.
+
+3. Free all buffers by calling :c:func:`VIDIOC_REQBUFS` on the
+   ``OUTPUT`` and ``CAPTURE`` queues with a buffer count of zero.
+
+Then perform the initialization sequence again, with the new resolution set
+on the ``OUTPUT`` queue. Note that due to resolution constraints, a different
+format may need to be picked on the ``CAPTURE`` queue.
+
+Drain
+=====
+
+In order to drain the stream on a stateless decoder, the client just needs to
+wait until all the submitted requests are completed. There is no need to send a
+``V4L2_DEC_CMD_STOP`` command since requests are processed sequentially by the
+driver.
+
+End of stream
+=============
+
+If the decoder encounters an end of stream marking in the stream, the
+driver must send a ``V4L2_EVENT_EOS`` event to the client after all frames
+are decoded and ready to be dequeued on the ``CAPTURE`` queue, with the
+:c:type:`v4l2_buffer` ``flags`` set to ``V4L2_BUF_FLAG_LAST``. This
+behavior is identical to the drain sequence triggered by the client via
+``V4L2_DEC_CMD_STOP``.
diff --git a/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/devices.rst b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/devices.rst
index 1822c66c2154..a8e568eda7d8 100644
--- a/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/devices.rst
+++ b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/devices.rst
@@ -16,6 +16,7 @@ Interfaces
     dev-osd
     dev-codec
     dev-decoder
+    dev-stateless-decoder
     dev-encoder
     dev-effect
     dev-raw-vbi
diff --git a/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/extended-controls.rst b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/extended-controls.rst
index a9252225b63e..afffb64c47d0 100644
--- a/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/extended-controls.rst
+++ b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/extended-controls.rst
@@ -810,6 +810,31 @@ enum v4l2_mpeg_video_bitrate_mode -
     otherwise the decoder expects a single frame in per buffer.
     Applicable to the decoder, all codecs.
 
+.. _v4l2-mpeg-h264:
+
+``V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SPS``
+    Instance of struct v4l2_ctrl_h264_sps, containing the SPS of to use with
+    the next queued frame. Applicable to the H.264 stateless decoder.
+
+``V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_PPS``
+    Instance of struct v4l2_ctrl_h264_pps, containing the PPS of to use with
+    the next queued frame. Applicable to the H.264 stateless decoder.
+
+``V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SCALING_MATRIX``
+    Instance of struct v4l2_ctrl_h264_scaling_matrix, containing the scaling
+    matrix to use when decoding the next queued frame. Applicable to the H.264
+    stateless decoder.
+
+``V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SLICE_PARAMS``
+    Array of struct v4l2_ctrl_h264_slice_param, containing at least as many
+    entries as there are slices in the corresponding ``OUTPUT`` buffer.
+    Applicable to the H.264 stateless decoder.
+
+``V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_DECODE_PARAM``
+    Instance of struct v4l2_ctrl_h264_decode_param, containing the high-level
+    decoding parameters for a H.264 frame. Applicable to the H.264 stateless
+    decoder.
+
 ``V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_VUI_SAR_ENABLE (boolean)``
     Enable writing sample aspect ratio in the Video Usability
     Information. Applicable to the H264 encoder.
diff --git a/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/pixfmt-compressed.rst b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/pixfmt-compressed.rst
index a86b59f770dd..c68af3313cfb 100644
--- a/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/pixfmt-compressed.rst
+++ b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/pixfmt-compressed.rst
@@ -35,6 +35,42 @@ Compressed Formats
       - ``V4L2_PIX_FMT_H264``
       - 'H264'
       - H264 video elementary stream with start codes.
+    * .. _V4L2-PIX-FMT-H264-SLICE:
+
+      - ``V4L2_PIX_FMT_H264_SLICE``
+      - 'H264'
+      - H264 parsed slice data, as extracted from the H264 bitstream.
+        This format is adapted for stateless video decoders using the M2M and
+        Request APIs.
+
+        ``OUTPUT`` buffers must contain all the macroblock slices of a given
+        frame, i.e. if a frame requires several macroblock slices to be entirely
+        decoded, then all these slices must be provided. In addition, the
+        following metadata controls must be set on the request for each frame:
+
+        V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SPS
+           Instance of struct v4l2_ctrl_h264_sps, containing the SPS of to use
+           with the frame.
+
+        V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_PPS
+           Instance of struct v4l2_ctrl_h264_pps, containing the PPS of to use
+           with the frame.
+
+        V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SCALING_MATRIX
+           Instance of struct v4l2_ctrl_h264_scaling_matrix, containing the
+           scaling matrix to use when decoding the frame.
+
+        V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SLICE_PARAMS
+           Array of struct v4l2_ctrl_h264_slice_param, containing at least as
+           many entries as there are slices in the corresponding ``OUTPUT``
+           buffer.
+
+        V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_DECODE_PARAM
+           Instance of struct v4l2_ctrl_h264_decode_param, containing the
+           high-level decoding parameters for a H.264 frame.
+
+        See the :ref:`associated Codec Control IDs <v4l2-mpeg-h264>` for the
+        format of these controls.
     * .. _V4L2-PIX-FMT-H264-NO-SC:
 
       - ``V4L2_PIX_FMT_H264_NO_SC``
@@ -67,10 +103,20 @@ Compressed Formats
       - MPEG-2 parsed slice data, as extracted from the MPEG-2 bitstream.
 	This format is adapted for stateless video decoders that implement a
 	MPEG-2 pipeline (using the Memory to Memory and Media Request APIs).
-	Metadata associated with the frame to decode is required to be passed
-	through the ``V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_MPEG2_SLICE_PARAMS`` control and
-	quantization matrices can optionally be specified through the
-	``V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_MPEG2_QUANTIZATION`` control.
+
+        ``OUTPUT`` buffers must contain all the macroblock slices of a given
+        frame, i.e. if a frame requires several macroblock slices to be entirely
+        decoded, then all these slices must be provided. In addition, the
+        following metadata controls must be set on the request for each frame:
+
+        V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_MPEG2_SLICE_PARAMS
+          Slice parameters (one per slice) for the current frame.
+
+        Optional controls:
+
+        V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_MPEG2_QUANTIZATION
+          Quantization matrices for the current frame.
+
 	See the :ref:`associated Codec Control IDs <v4l2-mpeg-mpeg2>`.
 	Buffers associated with this pixel format must contain the appropriate
 	number of macroblocks to decode a full corresponding frame.
-- 
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* Re: [RFC PATCH v3] media: docs-rst: Document m2m stateless video decoder interface
  2018-10-19  8:09 [RFC PATCH v3] media: docs-rst: Document m2m stateless video decoder interface Alexandre Courbot
@ 2018-10-19  8:43 ` Hans Verkuil
  2018-10-22  6:04   ` Alexandre Courbot
  2018-10-19  9:40 ` [RFC] Stateless codecs: how to refer to reference frames Hans Verkuil
                   ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Hans Verkuil @ 2018-10-19  8:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alexandre Courbot, Tomasz Figa, Paul Kocialkowski,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab, Pawel Osciak, linux-media
  Cc: linux-kernel

On 10/19/18 10:09, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> Thanks everyone for the feedback on v2! I have not replied to all the
> individual emails but hope this v3 will address some of the problems
> raised and become a continuation point for the topics still in
> discussion (probably during the ELCE Media Summit).
> 
> This patch documents the protocol that user-space should follow when
> communicating with stateless video decoders. It is based on the
> following references:
> 
> * The current protocol used by Chromium (converted from config store to
>   request API)
> 
> * The submitted Cedrus VPU driver
> 
> As such, some things may not be entirely consistent with the current
> state of drivers, so it would be great if all stakeholders could point
> out these inconsistencies. :)
> 
> This patch is supposed to be applied on top of the Request API V18 as
> well as the memory-to-memory video decoder interface series by Tomasz
> Figa.
> 
> Changes since v2:
> 
> * Specify that the frame header controls should be set prior to
>   enumerating the CAPTURE queue, instead of the profile which as Paul
>   and Tomasz pointed out is not enough to know which raw formats will be
>   usable.
> * Change V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SLICE_PARAM to
>   V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SLICE_PARAMS.
> * Various rewording and rephrasing
> 
> Two points being currently discussed have not been changed in this
> revision due to lack of better idea. Of course this is open to change:
> 
> * The restriction of having to send full frames for each input buffer is
>   kept as-is. As Hans pointed, we currently have a hard limit of 32
>   buffers per queue, and it may be non-trivial to lift. Also some codecs
>   (at least Venus AFAIK) do have this restriction in hardware, so unless
>   we want to do some buffer-rearranging in-kernel, it is probably better
>   to keep the default behavior as-is. Finally, relaxing the rule should
>   be easy enough if we add one extra control to query whether the
>   hardware can work with slice units, as opposed to frame units.

Makes sense, as long as the restriction can be lifted in the future.

> * The other hot topic is the use of capture buffer indexes in order to
>   reference frames. I understand the concerns, but I doesn't seem like
>   we have come with a better proposal so far - and since capture buffers
>   are essentially well, frames, using their buffer index to directly
>   reference them doesn't sound too inappropriate to me. There is also
>   the restriction that drivers must return capture buffers in queue
>   order. Do we have any concrete example where this scenario would not
>   work?

I'll start a separate discussion thread for this to avoid polluting the
review of this documentation.

Regards,

	Hans

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread

* [RFC] Stateless codecs: how to refer to reference frames
  2018-10-19  8:09 [RFC PATCH v3] media: docs-rst: Document m2m stateless video decoder interface Alexandre Courbot
  2018-10-19  8:43 ` Hans Verkuil
@ 2018-10-19  9:40 ` Hans Verkuil
  2018-10-24  9:16   ` Alexandre Courbot
                     ` (2 more replies)
  2018-10-23  3:47 ` [RFC PATCH v3] media: docs-rst: Document m2m stateless video decoder interface Tomasz Figa
  2018-11-12 14:40 ` Hans Verkuil
  3 siblings, 3 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Hans Verkuil @ 2018-10-19  9:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alexandre Courbot, Tomasz Figa, Paul Kocialkowski,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab, Pawel Osciak, linux-media
  Cc: linux-kernel

From Alexandre's '[RFC PATCH v3] media: docs-rst: Document m2m stateless
video decoder interface':

On 10/19/18 10:09, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> Two points being currently discussed have not been changed in this
> revision due to lack of better idea. Of course this is open to change:

<snip>

> * The other hot topic is the use of capture buffer indexes in order to
>   reference frames. I understand the concerns, but I doesn't seem like
>   we have come with a better proposal so far - and since capture buffers
>   are essentially well, frames, using their buffer index to directly
>   reference them doesn't sound too inappropriate to me. There is also
>   the restriction that drivers must return capture buffers in queue
>   order. Do we have any concrete example where this scenario would not
>   work?

I'll stick to decoders in describing the issue. Stateless encoders probably
do not have this issue.

To recap: the application provides a buffer with compressed data to the
decoder. After the request is finished the application can dequeue the
decompressed frame from the capture queue.

In order to decompress the decoder needs to access previously decoded
reference frames. The request passed to the decoder contained state
information containing the buffer index (or indices) of capture buffers
that contain the reference frame(s).

This approach puts restrictions on the framework and the application:

1) It assumes that the application can predict the capture indices.
This works as long as there is a simple relationship between the
buffer passed to the decoder and the buffer you get back.

But that may not be true for future codecs. And what if one buffer
produces multiple capture buffers? (E.g. if you want to get back
decompressed slices instead of full frames to reduce output latency).

This API should be designed to be future-proof (within reason of course),
and I am not at all convinced that future codecs will be just as easy
to predict.

2) It assumes that neither drivers nor applications mess with the buffers.
One case that might happen today is if the DMA fails and a buffer is
returned marked ERROR and the DMA is retried with the next buffer. There
is nothing in the spec that prevents you from doing that, but it will mess
up the capture index numbering. And does the application always know in
what order capture buffers are queued? Perhaps there are two threads: one
queueing buffers with compressed data, and the other dequeueing the
decompressed buffers, and they are running mostly independently.


I believe that assuming that you can always predict the indices of the
capture queue is dangerous and asking for problems in the future.


I am very much in favor of using a dedicated cookie. The application sets
it for the compressed buffer and the driver copies it to the uncompressed
capture buffer. It keeps track of the association between capture index
and cookie. If a compressed buffer decompresses into multiple capture
buffers, then they will all be associated with the same cookie, so
that simplifies how you refer to reference frames if they are split
over multiple buffers.

The codec controls refer to reference frames by cookie(s).

For existing applications that use the capture index all you need to do
is to set the capture index as the cookie value in the output buffer.

It is my understanding that ChromeOS was using the timestamp as the
cookie value.

I have thought about that, but I am not in favor of doing that. One
reason is that struct timeval comes in various flavors (32 bit, 64 bit,
and a y2038-compatible 32-bit type in the future).

The y2038 compat code that we will need concerns me in particular since
it will mean that the timeval is converted from 32 to 64 bit and back
again, and that might well mangle the data. I'm not so sure if you can
stick a 64-bit pointer in the timeval (e.g. the high 32 bits go to into
the tv_sec field, the low 32 bits go to the usecs). The y2038 conversion
might mangle the tv_usec field (e.g. divide by 1000000 and add the seconds
to the tv_sec field).

I would really prefer an independent 64-bit cookie value that the application
can set instead of abusing something else.

I propose to make a union with v4l2_timecode (which nobody uses) and a
new V4L2_BUF_FLAG_COOKIE flag.

struct v4l2_buffer_cookie {
	__u32 high;
	__u32 low;
};

And in v4l2_buffer:

	union {
		struct v4l2_timecode timecode;
		struct v4l2_buffer_cookie cookie;
	};

And static inlines:

void v4l2_buffer_set_cookie(struct v4l2_buffer *buf, __u64 cookie)
{
	buf->cookie.high = cookie >> 32;
	buf->cookie.low = cookie & 0xffffffffULL;
	buf->flags |= V4L2_BUF_FLAG_COOKIE;
}

void v4l2_buffer_set_cookie_ptr(struct v4l2_buffer *buf, void *cookie)
{
	v4l2_buffer_set_cookie(buf, (__u64)cookie);
}

__u64 v4l2_buffer_get_cookie(struct v4l2_buffer *buf)
{
	if (!(buf->flags & V4L2_BUF_FLAG_COOKIE))
		return 0;
	return (((__u64)buf->cookie.high) << 32) | (__u64)buf->cookie.low;
}

void *v4l2_buffer_get_cookie_ptr(struct v4l2_buffer *buf)
{
	return (void *)v4l2_buffer_get_cookie(buf);
}

Why not just use __u64? Because the alignment in v4l2_buffer is a nightmare.
Using __u64 would create holes, made even worse by different struct timeval
sizes depending on the architecture.

I'm proposing a struct v4l2_ext_buffer together with new streaming ioctls
during the media summit that has a clean layout and there this can be just
a __u64.

I'm calling it a 'cookie' here, but that's just a suggestion. Better
names are welcome.

Comments are welcome.

Regards,

	Hans

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread

* Re: [RFC PATCH v3] media: docs-rst: Document m2m stateless video decoder interface
  2018-10-19  8:43 ` Hans Verkuil
@ 2018-10-22  6:04   ` Alexandre Courbot
  2018-10-22  6:22     ` Tomasz Figa
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Alexandre Courbot @ 2018-10-22  6:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Hans Verkuil
  Cc: Tomasz Figa, Paul Kocialkowski, Mauro Carvalho Chehab,
	Pawel Osciak, Linux Media Mailing List, LKML

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:44 PM Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> On 10/19/18 10:09, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> > Thanks everyone for the feedback on v2! I have not replied to all the
> > individual emails but hope this v3 will address some of the problems
> > raised and become a continuation point for the topics still in
> > discussion (probably during the ELCE Media Summit).
> >
> > This patch documents the protocol that user-space should follow when
> > communicating with stateless video decoders. It is based on the
> > following references:
> >
> > * The current protocol used by Chromium (converted from config store to
> >   request API)
> >
> > * The submitted Cedrus VPU driver
> >
> > As such, some things may not be entirely consistent with the current
> > state of drivers, so it would be great if all stakeholders could point
> > out these inconsistencies. :)
> >
> > This patch is supposed to be applied on top of the Request API V18 as
> > well as the memory-to-memory video decoder interface series by Tomasz
> > Figa.
> >
> > Changes since v2:
> >
> > * Specify that the frame header controls should be set prior to
> >   enumerating the CAPTURE queue, instead of the profile which as Paul
> >   and Tomasz pointed out is not enough to know which raw formats will be
> >   usable.
> > * Change V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SLICE_PARAM to
> >   V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SLICE_PARAMS.
> > * Various rewording and rephrasing
> >
> > Two points being currently discussed have not been changed in this
> > revision due to lack of better idea. Of course this is open to change:
> >
> > * The restriction of having to send full frames for each input buffer is
> >   kept as-is. As Hans pointed, we currently have a hard limit of 32
> >   buffers per queue, and it may be non-trivial to lift. Also some codecs
> >   (at least Venus AFAIK) do have this restriction in hardware, so unless
> >   we want to do some buffer-rearranging in-kernel, it is probably better
> >   to keep the default behavior as-is. Finally, relaxing the rule should
> >   be easy enough if we add one extra control to query whether the
> >   hardware can work with slice units, as opposed to frame units.
>
> Makes sense, as long as the restriction can be lifted in the future.

Lifting this limitation once we support more than 32 buffers should
not be an issue. Just add a new capability control and process things
in slice units. Right now we have hardware that can only work with
whole frames (venus) but I suspect that some slice-only hardware must
exist, so it may actually become a necessity at some point (lest
drivers do some splitting themselves).

>
> > * The other hot topic is the use of capture buffer indexes in order to
> >   reference frames. I understand the concerns, but I doesn't seem like
> >   we have come with a better proposal so far - and since capture buffers
> >   are essentially well, frames, using their buffer index to directly
> >   reference them doesn't sound too inappropriate to me. There is also
> >   the restriction that drivers must return capture buffers in queue
> >   order. Do we have any concrete example where this scenario would not
> >   work?
>
> I'll start a separate discussion thread for this to avoid polluting the
> review of this documentation.

Thanks! Following up there.

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread

* Re: [RFC PATCH v3] media: docs-rst: Document m2m stateless video decoder interface
  2018-10-22  6:04   ` Alexandre Courbot
@ 2018-10-22  6:22     ` Tomasz Figa
  2018-10-22  6:39       ` Alexandre Courbot
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Tomasz Figa @ 2018-10-22  6:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alexandre Courbot
  Cc: Hans Verkuil, Paul Kocialkowski, Mauro Carvalho Chehab,
	Pawel Osciak, Linux Media Mailing List,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:05 PM Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@chromium.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:44 PM Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> >
> > On 10/19/18 10:09, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> > > Thanks everyone for the feedback on v2! I have not replied to all the
> > > individual emails but hope this v3 will address some of the problems
> > > raised and become a continuation point for the topics still in
> > > discussion (probably during the ELCE Media Summit).
> > >
> > > This patch documents the protocol that user-space should follow when
> > > communicating with stateless video decoders. It is based on the
> > > following references:
> > >
> > > * The current protocol used by Chromium (converted from config store to
> > >   request API)
> > >
> > > * The submitted Cedrus VPU driver
> > >
> > > As such, some things may not be entirely consistent with the current
> > > state of drivers, so it would be great if all stakeholders could point
> > > out these inconsistencies. :)
> > >
> > > This patch is supposed to be applied on top of the Request API V18 as
> > > well as the memory-to-memory video decoder interface series by Tomasz
> > > Figa.
> > >
> > > Changes since v2:
> > >
> > > * Specify that the frame header controls should be set prior to
> > >   enumerating the CAPTURE queue, instead of the profile which as Paul
> > >   and Tomasz pointed out is not enough to know which raw formats will be
> > >   usable.
> > > * Change V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SLICE_PARAM to
> > >   V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SLICE_PARAMS.
> > > * Various rewording and rephrasing
> > >
> > > Two points being currently discussed have not been changed in this
> > > revision due to lack of better idea. Of course this is open to change:
> > >
> > > * The restriction of having to send full frames for each input buffer is
> > >   kept as-is. As Hans pointed, we currently have a hard limit of 32
> > >   buffers per queue, and it may be non-trivial to lift. Also some codecs
> > >   (at least Venus AFAIK) do have this restriction in hardware, so unless
> > >   we want to do some buffer-rearranging in-kernel, it is probably better
> > >   to keep the default behavior as-is. Finally, relaxing the rule should
> > >   be easy enough if we add one extra control to query whether the
> > >   hardware can work with slice units, as opposed to frame units.
> >
> > Makes sense, as long as the restriction can be lifted in the future.
>
> Lifting this limitation once we support more than 32 buffers should
> not be an issue. Just add a new capability control and process things
> in slice units. Right now we have hardware that can only work with
> whole frames (venus)

Note that venus is a stateful hardware and the restriction might just
come from the firmware.

> but I suspect that some slice-only hardware must
> exist, so it may actually become a necessity at some point (lest
> drivers do some splitting themselves).
>

The drivers could do it trivially, because the UAPI will include the
array of slices, with offsets and sizes. It would just run the same
OUTPUT buffer multiple time, once for each slice.

The primary use case I personally see for splitting slices into
multiple buffers would be lowering the latency, as Hans mentioned
earlier and we should be able to do it easily later.

Best regards,
Tomasz

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread

* Re: [RFC PATCH v3] media: docs-rst: Document m2m stateless video decoder interface
  2018-10-22  6:22     ` Tomasz Figa
@ 2018-10-22  6:39       ` Alexandre Courbot
  2018-10-22  6:51         ` Tomasz Figa
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Alexandre Courbot @ 2018-10-22  6:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tomasz Figa
  Cc: Hans Verkuil, Paul Kocialkowski, Mauro Carvalho Chehab,
	Pawel Osciak, Linux Media Mailing List, LKML

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:22 PM Tomasz Figa <tfiga@chromium.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:05 PM Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@chromium.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:44 PM Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 10/19/18 10:09, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> > > > Thanks everyone for the feedback on v2! I have not replied to all the
> > > > individual emails but hope this v3 will address some of the problems
> > > > raised and become a continuation point for the topics still in
> > > > discussion (probably during the ELCE Media Summit).
> > > >
> > > > This patch documents the protocol that user-space should follow when
> > > > communicating with stateless video decoders. It is based on the
> > > > following references:
> > > >
> > > > * The current protocol used by Chromium (converted from config store to
> > > >   request API)
> > > >
> > > > * The submitted Cedrus VPU driver
> > > >
> > > > As such, some things may not be entirely consistent with the current
> > > > state of drivers, so it would be great if all stakeholders could point
> > > > out these inconsistencies. :)
> > > >
> > > > This patch is supposed to be applied on top of the Request API V18 as
> > > > well as the memory-to-memory video decoder interface series by Tomasz
> > > > Figa.
> > > >
> > > > Changes since v2:
> > > >
> > > > * Specify that the frame header controls should be set prior to
> > > >   enumerating the CAPTURE queue, instead of the profile which as Paul
> > > >   and Tomasz pointed out is not enough to know which raw formats will be
> > > >   usable.
> > > > * Change V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SLICE_PARAM to
> > > >   V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SLICE_PARAMS.
> > > > * Various rewording and rephrasing
> > > >
> > > > Two points being currently discussed have not been changed in this
> > > > revision due to lack of better idea. Of course this is open to change:
> > > >
> > > > * The restriction of having to send full frames for each input buffer is
> > > >   kept as-is. As Hans pointed, we currently have a hard limit of 32
> > > >   buffers per queue, and it may be non-trivial to lift. Also some codecs
> > > >   (at least Venus AFAIK) do have this restriction in hardware, so unless
> > > >   we want to do some buffer-rearranging in-kernel, it is probably better
> > > >   to keep the default behavior as-is. Finally, relaxing the rule should
> > > >   be easy enough if we add one extra control to query whether the
> > > >   hardware can work with slice units, as opposed to frame units.
> > >
> > > Makes sense, as long as the restriction can be lifted in the future.
> >
> > Lifting this limitation once we support more than 32 buffers should
> > not be an issue. Just add a new capability control and process things
> > in slice units. Right now we have hardware that can only work with
> > whole frames (venus)
>
> Note that venus is a stateful hardware and the restriction might just
> come from the firmware.

Right, and it most certainly does indeed. Yet firmwares are not always
easy to get updated by vendors, so we may have to deal with it anyway.

>
> > but I suspect that some slice-only hardware must
> > exist, so it may actually become a necessity at some point (lest
> > drivers do some splitting themselves).
> >
>
> The drivers could do it trivially, because the UAPI will include the
> array of slices, with offsets and sizes. It would just run the same
> OUTPUT buffer multiple time, once for each slice.

Alignment issues notwithstanding. :)

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread

* Re: [RFC PATCH v3] media: docs-rst: Document m2m stateless video decoder interface
  2018-10-22  6:39       ` Alexandre Courbot
@ 2018-10-22  6:51         ` Tomasz Figa
  2018-10-22  7:26           ` Alexandre Courbot
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Tomasz Figa @ 2018-10-22  6:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alexandre Courbot
  Cc: Hans Verkuil, Paul Kocialkowski, Mauro Carvalho Chehab,
	Pawel Osciak, Linux Media Mailing List,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:39 PM Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@chromium.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:22 PM Tomasz Figa <tfiga@chromium.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:05 PM Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@chromium.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:44 PM Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 10/19/18 10:09, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> > > > > Thanks everyone for the feedback on v2! I have not replied to all the
> > > > > individual emails but hope this v3 will address some of the problems
> > > > > raised and become a continuation point for the topics still in
> > > > > discussion (probably during the ELCE Media Summit).
> > > > >
> > > > > This patch documents the protocol that user-space should follow when
> > > > > communicating with stateless video decoders. It is based on the
> > > > > following references:
> > > > >
> > > > > * The current protocol used by Chromium (converted from config store to
> > > > >   request API)
> > > > >
> > > > > * The submitted Cedrus VPU driver
> > > > >
> > > > > As such, some things may not be entirely consistent with the current
> > > > > state of drivers, so it would be great if all stakeholders could point
> > > > > out these inconsistencies. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > This patch is supposed to be applied on top of the Request API V18 as
> > > > > well as the memory-to-memory video decoder interface series by Tomasz
> > > > > Figa.
> > > > >
> > > > > Changes since v2:
> > > > >
> > > > > * Specify that the frame header controls should be set prior to
> > > > >   enumerating the CAPTURE queue, instead of the profile which as Paul
> > > > >   and Tomasz pointed out is not enough to know which raw formats will be
> > > > >   usable.
> > > > > * Change V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SLICE_PARAM to
> > > > >   V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SLICE_PARAMS.
> > > > > * Various rewording and rephrasing
> > > > >
> > > > > Two points being currently discussed have not been changed in this
> > > > > revision due to lack of better idea. Of course this is open to change:
> > > > >
> > > > > * The restriction of having to send full frames for each input buffer is
> > > > >   kept as-is. As Hans pointed, we currently have a hard limit of 32
> > > > >   buffers per queue, and it may be non-trivial to lift. Also some codecs
> > > > >   (at least Venus AFAIK) do have this restriction in hardware, so unless
> > > > >   we want to do some buffer-rearranging in-kernel, it is probably better
> > > > >   to keep the default behavior as-is. Finally, relaxing the rule should
> > > > >   be easy enough if we add one extra control to query whether the
> > > > >   hardware can work with slice units, as opposed to frame units.
> > > >
> > > > Makes sense, as long as the restriction can be lifted in the future.
> > >
> > > Lifting this limitation once we support more than 32 buffers should
> > > not be an issue. Just add a new capability control and process things
> > > in slice units. Right now we have hardware that can only work with
> > > whole frames (venus)
> >
> > Note that venus is a stateful hardware and the restriction might just
> > come from the firmware.
>
> Right, and it most certainly does indeed. Yet firmwares are not always
> easy to get updated by vendors, so we may have to deal with it anyway.
>

Right. I'm just not convinced that venus is relevant to the stateless interface.

I'd use the Rockchip VPU hardware as an example of a hardware that
seems to require all the slices in one buffer, tightly packed one
after another, since it only accepts one address and size into its
registers.

> >
> > > but I suspect that some slice-only hardware must
> > > exist, so it may actually become a necessity at some point (lest
> > > drivers do some splitting themselves).
> > >
> >
> > The drivers could do it trivially, because the UAPI will include the
> > array of slices, with offsets and sizes. It would just run the same
> > OUTPUT buffer multiple time, once for each slice.
>
> Alignment issues notwithstanding. :)

Good point. That could be handled by a memcpy() into a bounce buffer,
but it wouldn't be as trivial as I suggested anymore indeed.

Best regards,
Tomasz

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread

* Re: [RFC PATCH v3] media: docs-rst: Document m2m stateless video decoder interface
  2018-10-22  6:51         ` Tomasz Figa
@ 2018-10-22  7:26           ` Alexandre Courbot
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Alexandre Courbot @ 2018-10-22  7:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tomasz Figa
  Cc: Hans Verkuil, Paul Kocialkowski, Mauro Carvalho Chehab,
	Pawel Osciak, Linux Media Mailing List, LKML

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:51 PM Tomasz Figa <tfiga@chromium.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:39 PM Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@chromium.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:22 PM Tomasz Figa <tfiga@chromium.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:05 PM Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@chromium.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:44 PM Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10/19/18 10:09, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> > > > > > Thanks everyone for the feedback on v2! I have not replied to all the
> > > > > > individual emails but hope this v3 will address some of the problems
> > > > > > raised and become a continuation point for the topics still in
> > > > > > discussion (probably during the ELCE Media Summit).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This patch documents the protocol that user-space should follow when
> > > > > > communicating with stateless video decoders. It is based on the
> > > > > > following references:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * The current protocol used by Chromium (converted from config store to
> > > > > >   request API)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * The submitted Cedrus VPU driver
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As such, some things may not be entirely consistent with the current
> > > > > > state of drivers, so it would be great if all stakeholders could point
> > > > > > out these inconsistencies. :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This patch is supposed to be applied on top of the Request API V18 as
> > > > > > well as the memory-to-memory video decoder interface series by Tomasz
> > > > > > Figa.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Changes since v2:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * Specify that the frame header controls should be set prior to
> > > > > >   enumerating the CAPTURE queue, instead of the profile which as Paul
> > > > > >   and Tomasz pointed out is not enough to know which raw formats will be
> > > > > >   usable.
> > > > > > * Change V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SLICE_PARAM to
> > > > > >   V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SLICE_PARAMS.
> > > > > > * Various rewording and rephrasing
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Two points being currently discussed have not been changed in this
> > > > > > revision due to lack of better idea. Of course this is open to change:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * The restriction of having to send full frames for each input buffer is
> > > > > >   kept as-is. As Hans pointed, we currently have a hard limit of 32
> > > > > >   buffers per queue, and it may be non-trivial to lift. Also some codecs
> > > > > >   (at least Venus AFAIK) do have this restriction in hardware, so unless
> > > > > >   we want to do some buffer-rearranging in-kernel, it is probably better
> > > > > >   to keep the default behavior as-is. Finally, relaxing the rule should
> > > > > >   be easy enough if we add one extra control to query whether the
> > > > > >   hardware can work with slice units, as opposed to frame units.
> > > > >
> > > > > Makes sense, as long as the restriction can be lifted in the future.
> > > >
> > > > Lifting this limitation once we support more than 32 buffers should
> > > > not be an issue. Just add a new capability control and process things
> > > > in slice units. Right now we have hardware that can only work with
> > > > whole frames (venus)
> > >
> > > Note that venus is a stateful hardware and the restriction might just
> > > come from the firmware.
> >
> > Right, and it most certainly does indeed. Yet firmwares are not always
> > easy to get updated by vendors, so we may have to deal with it anyway.
> >
>
> Right. I'm just not convinced that venus is relevant to the stateless interface.
>
> I'd use the Rockchip VPU hardware as an example of a hardware that
> seems to require all the slices in one buffer, tightly packed one
> after another, since it only accepts one address and size into its
> registers.

You're right that Venus is not relevant here. Rockchip VPU is a much
better example.

>
> > >
> > > > but I suspect that some slice-only hardware must
> > > > exist, so it may actually become a necessity at some point (lest
> > > > drivers do some splitting themselves).
> > > >
> > >
> > > The drivers could do it trivially, because the UAPI will include the
> > > array of slices, with offsets and sizes. It would just run the same
> > > OUTPUT buffer multiple time, once for each slice.
> >
> > Alignment issues notwithstanding. :)
>
> Good point. That could be handled by a memcpy() into a bounce buffer,
> but it wouldn't be as trivial as I suggested anymore indeed.

But at least the kernel won't have to try and parse the stream since
the slices' limits are clearly defined by user-space, so it's not that
big a deal.

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* Re: [RFC PATCH v3] media: docs-rst: Document m2m stateless video decoder interface
  2018-10-19  8:09 [RFC PATCH v3] media: docs-rst: Document m2m stateless video decoder interface Alexandre Courbot
  2018-10-19  8:43 ` Hans Verkuil
  2018-10-19  9:40 ` [RFC] Stateless codecs: how to refer to reference frames Hans Verkuil
@ 2018-10-23  3:47 ` Tomasz Figa
  2018-11-12 14:40 ` Hans Verkuil
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Tomasz Figa @ 2018-10-23  3:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alexandre Courbot
  Cc: Paul Kocialkowski, Mauro Carvalho Chehab, Hans Verkuil,
	Pawel Osciak, Linux Media Mailing List,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List

Hi Alex,

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:09 PM Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@chromium.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone for the feedback on v2! I have not replied to all the
> individual emails but hope this v3 will address some of the problems
> raised and become a continuation point for the topics still in
> discussion (probably during the ELCE Media Summit).

Thanks for your patch! Some further comments inline.

[snip]
> * The restriction of having to send full frames for each input buffer is
>   kept as-is. As Hans pointed, we currently have a hard limit of 32
>   buffers per queue, and it may be non-trivial to lift. Also some codecs
>   (at least Venus AFAIK) do have this restriction in hardware, so unless

Venus is a stateful decoder, so not very relevant for this interface.

However, Rockchip VPU is a stateless decoder that seems to have this
restriction. It seems to have only one base address and length
register and it seems to consume all the slices as laid out in the
original bitstream.

[snip]
> +3. The client may use :c:func:`VIDIOC_ENUM_FRAMESIZES` to detect supported
> +   resolutions for a given format, passing desired pixel format in
> +   :c:type:`v4l2_frmsizeenum`'s ``pixel_format``.
> +
> +   * Values returned by :c:func:`VIDIOC_ENUM_FRAMESIZES` on ``OUTPUT`` queue
> +     must include all possible coded resolutions supported by the decoder
> +     for the current coded pixel format.
> +
> +   * Values returned by :c:func:`VIDIOC_ENUM_FRAMESIZES` on ``CAPTURE`` queue
> +     must include all possible frame buffer resolutions supported by the
> +     decoder for given raw pixel format and coded format currently set on
> +     ``OUTPUT`` queue.
> +
> +    .. note::
> +
> +       The client may derive the supported resolution range for a
> +       combination of coded and raw format by setting width and height of
> +       ``OUTPUT`` format to 0 and calculating the intersection of
> +       resolutions returned from calls to :c:func:`VIDIOC_ENUM_FRAMESIZES`
> +       for the given coded and raw formats.

I've dropped this note in the stateful version, because it would
return something that is contradictory to what S_FMT would accept - it
only accepts the resolution matching the current stream. It also
wouldn't work for decoders which have built-in scaling capability,
because typically the possible range scaling ratios is fixed, so the
maximum and minimum output resolution would depend on the source
resolution.

[snip]
> +Decoding
> +========
> +
> +For each frame, the client is responsible for submitting a request to which the
> +following is attached:
> +
> +* Exactly one frame worth of encoded data in a buffer submitted to the
> +  ``OUTPUT`` queue,
> +* All the controls relevant to the format being decoded (see below for details).
> +
> +.. note::
> +
> +   The API currently requires one frame of encoded data per ``OUTPUT`` buffer,
> +   even though some encoded formats may present their data in smaller chunks
> +   (e.g. H.264's frames can be made of several slices that can be processed
> +   independently). It is currently the responsibility of the client to gather
> +   the different parts of a frame into a single ``OUTPUT`` buffer, if required
> +   by the encoded format. This restriction may be lifted in the future.

And maybe we should explicitly say that it should be laid out the same
way as in the bitstream?

But now when I think of it, while still keeping the Rockchip VPU in
mind, AFAIR the slices in H.264 can arrive in separate packets, so
maybe the Rockchip VPU can just consume them separately too and in any
order, as long as they are laid out in a contiguous manner? The
hardware isn't unfortunately very well documented...

> +
> +``CAPTURE`` buffers must not be part of the request, and are queued
> +independently. The driver will always pick the least recently queued ``CAPTURE``
> +buffer and decode the frame into it. ``CAPTURE`` buffers will be returned in
> +decode order (i.e. the same order as ``OUTPUT`` buffers were submitted),
> +therefore it is trivial for the client to know which ``CAPTURE`` buffer will
> +be used for a given frame. This point is essential for referencing frames since
> +we use the ``CAPTURE`` buffer index for that.
> +
> +If the request is submitted without an ``OUTPUT`` buffer, then
> +:c:func:`MEDIA_REQUEST_IOC_QUEUE` will return ``-ENOENT``. If more than one
> +buffer is queued, or if some of the required controls are missing, then it will
> +return ``-EINVAL``. Decoding errors are signaled by the ``CAPTURE`` buffers
> +being dequeued carrying the ``V4L2_BUF_FLAG_ERROR`` flag. If a reference frame
> +has an error, then all other frames that refer to it will also have the
> +``V4L2_BUF_FLAG_ERROR`` flag set.

Perhaps we could want to specify whether those frames would be still
decoded or the whole request discarded?

[snip]
> +Dynamic resolution change
> +=========================
> +
> +If the client detects a resolution change in the stream, it will need to perform
> +the initialization sequence again with the new resolution:
> +
> +1. Wait until all submitted requests have completed and dequeue the
> +   corresponding output buffers.
> +
> +2. Call :c:func:`VIDIOC_STREAMOFF` on both the ``OUTPUT`` and ``CAPTURE``
> +   queues.
> +
> +3. Free all buffers by calling :c:func:`VIDIOC_REQBUFS` on the
> +   ``OUTPUT`` and ``CAPTURE`` queues with a buffer count of zero.

Hmm, technically it wouldn't need to reallocate the OUTPUT buffers. We
also should allow the case of the buffers being big enough for the new
resolution.

> +
> +Then perform the initialization sequence again, with the new resolution set
> +on the ``OUTPUT`` queue. Note that due to resolution constraints, a different
> +format may need to be picked on the ``CAPTURE`` queue.
> +
> +Drain
> +=====
> +
> +In order to drain the stream on a stateless decoder, the client just needs to
> +wait until all the submitted requests are completed. There is no need to send a
> +``V4L2_DEC_CMD_STOP`` command since requests are processed sequentially by the
> +driver.
> +
> +End of stream
> +=============
> +
> +If the decoder encounters an end of stream marking in the stream, the
> +driver must send a ``V4L2_EVENT_EOS`` event to the client after all frames
> +are decoded and ready to be dequeued on the ``CAPTURE`` queue, with the
> +:c:type:`v4l2_buffer` ``flags`` set to ``V4L2_BUF_FLAG_LAST``. This
> +behavior is identical to the drain sequence triggered by the client via
> +``V4L2_DEC_CMD_STOP``.

I think we agreed for this whole section to go away, since a stateless
decoder wouldn't scan the bitstream for an EoS mark.

Best regards,
Tomasz

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* Re: [RFC] Stateless codecs: how to refer to reference frames
  2018-10-19  9:40 ` [RFC] Stateless codecs: how to refer to reference frames Hans Verkuil
@ 2018-10-24  9:16   ` Alexandre Courbot
  2018-10-24  9:52     ` Hans Verkuil
  2018-10-24 10:44   ` Paul Kocialkowski
  2018-10-24 11:03   ` Hans Verkuil
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Alexandre Courbot @ 2018-10-24  9:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Hans Verkuil
  Cc: Tomasz Figa, Paul Kocialkowski, Mauro Carvalho Chehab,
	Pawel Osciak, Linux Media Mailing List, LKML

Hi Hans,

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 6:40 PM Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> From Alexandre's '[RFC PATCH v3] media: docs-rst: Document m2m stateless
> video decoder interface':
>
> On 10/19/18 10:09, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> > Two points being currently discussed have not been changed in this
> > revision due to lack of better idea. Of course this is open to change:
>
> <snip>
>
> > * The other hot topic is the use of capture buffer indexes in order to
> >   reference frames. I understand the concerns, but I doesn't seem like
> >   we have come with a better proposal so far - and since capture buffers
> >   are essentially well, frames, using their buffer index to directly
> >   reference them doesn't sound too inappropriate to me. There is also
> >   the restriction that drivers must return capture buffers in queue
> >   order. Do we have any concrete example where this scenario would not
> >   work?
>
> I'll stick to decoders in describing the issue. Stateless encoders probably
> do not have this issue.
>
> To recap: the application provides a buffer with compressed data to the
> decoder. After the request is finished the application can dequeue the
> decompressed frame from the capture queue.
>
> In order to decompress the decoder needs to access previously decoded
> reference frames. The request passed to the decoder contained state
> information containing the buffer index (or indices) of capture buffers
> that contain the reference frame(s).
>
> This approach puts restrictions on the framework and the application:
>
> 1) It assumes that the application can predict the capture indices.
> This works as long as there is a simple relationship between the
> buffer passed to the decoder and the buffer you get back.
>
> But that may not be true for future codecs. And what if one buffer
> produces multiple capture buffers? (E.g. if you want to get back
> decompressed slices instead of full frames to reduce output latency).
>
> This API should be designed to be future-proof (within reason of course),
> and I am not at all convinced that future codecs will be just as easy
> to predict.
>
> 2) It assumes that neither drivers nor applications mess with the buffers.
> One case that might happen today is if the DMA fails and a buffer is
> returned marked ERROR and the DMA is retried with the next buffer. There
> is nothing in the spec that prevents you from doing that, but it will mess
> up the capture index numbering. And does the application always know in
> what order capture buffers are queued? Perhaps there are two threads: one
> queueing buffers with compressed data, and the other dequeueing the
> decompressed buffers, and they are running mostly independently.
>
>
> I believe that assuming that you can always predict the indices of the
> capture queue is dangerous and asking for problems in the future.
>
>
> I am very much in favor of using a dedicated cookie. The application sets
> it for the compressed buffer and the driver copies it to the uncompressed
> capture buffer. It keeps track of the association between capture index
> and cookie. If a compressed buffer decompresses into multiple capture
> buffers, then they will all be associated with the same cookie, so
> that simplifies how you refer to reference frames if they are split
> over multiple buffers.
>
> The codec controls refer to reference frames by cookie(s).

So as discussed yesterday, I understand your issue with using buffer
indexes. The cookie idea sounds like it could work, but I'm afraid you
could still run into issues when you don't have buffer symmetry.

For instance, imagine that the compressed buffer contains 2 frames
worth of data. In this case, the 2 dequeued capture buffers would
carry the same cookie, making it impossible to reference either frame
unambiguously.

There may also be a similar, yet simpler solution already in place
that we can use. The v4l2_buffer structure contains a "sequence"
member, that is supposed to sequentially count the delivered frames.
What if we used this field in the same spirit as your cookie?
Userspace would just need to keep count of the number of frames sent
to the driver in order to accurately predict which sequence number a
given frame is going to carry. Then the driver/framework just needs to
associate the last sequence number of each buffer so it can find the
reference frames, and we have an way to refer every frame. Would that
work? We would need to make sure that error buffers are returned for
every frame that fails (otherwise the counter could deviate between
kernel and user-space), but if we take care of that it seems to me
that this would stand, while being simpler and taking advantage of an
already existing field.

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* Re: [RFC] Stateless codecs: how to refer to reference frames
  2018-10-24  9:16   ` Alexandre Courbot
@ 2018-10-24  9:52     ` Hans Verkuil
  2018-10-26  7:38       ` Alexandre Courbot
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Hans Verkuil @ 2018-10-24  9:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alexandre Courbot
  Cc: Tomasz Figa, Paul Kocialkowski, Mauro Carvalho Chehab,
	Pawel Osciak, Linux Media Mailing List, LKML

HI Alexandre,

On 10/24/2018 10:16 AM, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> Hi Hans,
> 
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 6:40 PM Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>
>> From Alexandre's '[RFC PATCH v3] media: docs-rst: Document m2m stateless
>> video decoder interface':
>>
>> On 10/19/18 10:09, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
>>> Two points being currently discussed have not been changed in this
>>> revision due to lack of better idea. Of course this is open to change:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> * The other hot topic is the use of capture buffer indexes in order to
>>>   reference frames. I understand the concerns, but I doesn't seem like
>>>   we have come with a better proposal so far - and since capture buffers
>>>   are essentially well, frames, using their buffer index to directly
>>>   reference them doesn't sound too inappropriate to me. There is also
>>>   the restriction that drivers must return capture buffers in queue
>>>   order. Do we have any concrete example where this scenario would not
>>>   work?
>>
>> I'll stick to decoders in describing the issue. Stateless encoders probably
>> do not have this issue.
>>
>> To recap: the application provides a buffer with compressed data to the
>> decoder. After the request is finished the application can dequeue the
>> decompressed frame from the capture queue.
>>
>> In order to decompress the decoder needs to access previously decoded
>> reference frames. The request passed to the decoder contained state
>> information containing the buffer index (or indices) of capture buffers
>> that contain the reference frame(s).
>>
>> This approach puts restrictions on the framework and the application:
>>
>> 1) It assumes that the application can predict the capture indices.
>> This works as long as there is a simple relationship between the
>> buffer passed to the decoder and the buffer you get back.
>>
>> But that may not be true for future codecs. And what if one buffer
>> produces multiple capture buffers? (E.g. if you want to get back
>> decompressed slices instead of full frames to reduce output latency).
>>
>> This API should be designed to be future-proof (within reason of course),
>> and I am not at all convinced that future codecs will be just as easy
>> to predict.
>>
>> 2) It assumes that neither drivers nor applications mess with the buffers.
>> One case that might happen today is if the DMA fails and a buffer is
>> returned marked ERROR and the DMA is retried with the next buffer. There
>> is nothing in the spec that prevents you from doing that, but it will mess
>> up the capture index numbering. And does the application always know in
>> what order capture buffers are queued? Perhaps there are two threads: one
>> queueing buffers with compressed data, and the other dequeueing the
>> decompressed buffers, and they are running mostly independently.
>>
>>
>> I believe that assuming that you can always predict the indices of the
>> capture queue is dangerous and asking for problems in the future.
>>
>>
>> I am very much in favor of using a dedicated cookie. The application sets
>> it for the compressed buffer and the driver copies it to the uncompressed
>> capture buffer. It keeps track of the association between capture index
>> and cookie. If a compressed buffer decompresses into multiple capture
>> buffers, then they will all be associated with the same cookie, so
>> that simplifies how you refer to reference frames if they are split
>> over multiple buffers.
>>
>> The codec controls refer to reference frames by cookie(s).
> 
> So as discussed yesterday, I understand your issue with using buffer
> indexes. The cookie idea sounds like it could work, but I'm afraid you
> could still run into issues when you don't have buffer symmetry.
> 
> For instance, imagine that the compressed buffer contains 2 frames
> worth of data. In this case, the 2 dequeued capture buffers would
> carry the same cookie, making it impossible to reference either frame
> unambiguously.

But this is a stateless codec, so each compressed buffer contains only
one frame. That's the responsibility of the bitstream parser to ensure
that.

The whole idea of the stateless codec is that you supply only one frame
at a time to the codec.

If someone indeed puts multiple frames into a single buffer, then
the behavior is likely undefined. Does anyone have any idea what
would happen with the cedrus driver in that case? This is actually
a good test.

Anyway, I would consider this an application bug. Garbage in, garbage out.

> 
> There may also be a similar, yet simpler solution already in place
> that we can use. The v4l2_buffer structure contains a "sequence"
> member, that is supposed to sequentially count the delivered frames.

The sequence field suffers from exactly the same problems as the
buffer index: it doesn't work if one compressed frame results in
multiple capture buffers (one for each slice), since the sequence
number will be increased for each capture buffer. Also if capture
buffers are marked as error for some reason, the sequence number is
also incremented for that buffer, again making it impossible to
predict in userspace what the sequence counter will be.

> What if we used this field in the same spirit as your cookie?
> Userspace would just need to keep count of the number of frames sent
> to the driver in order to accurately predict which sequence number a
> given frame is going to carry. Then the driver/framework just needs to
> associate the last sequence number of each buffer so it can find the
> reference frames, and we have an way to refer every frame. Would that
> work? We would need to make sure that error buffers are returned for
> every frame that fails (otherwise the counter could deviate between
> kernel and user-space), but if we take care of that it seems to me
> that this would stand, while being simpler and taking advantage of an
> already existing field.
> 

So no, this wouldn't work.

I don't want this 'accurately predict' method: it is inherently fragile.

Regards,

	Hans

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* Re: [RFC] Stateless codecs: how to refer to reference frames
  2018-10-19  9:40 ` [RFC] Stateless codecs: how to refer to reference frames Hans Verkuil
  2018-10-24  9:16   ` Alexandre Courbot
@ 2018-10-24 10:44   ` Paul Kocialkowski
  2018-10-24 11:03   ` Hans Verkuil
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Paul Kocialkowski @ 2018-10-24 10:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Hans Verkuil, Alexandre Courbot, Tomasz Figa,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab, Pawel Osciak, linux-media
  Cc: linux-kernel

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Hi,

Le vendredi 19 octobre 2018 à 11:40 +0200, Hans Verkuil a écrit :
> From Alexandre's '[RFC PATCH v3] media: docs-rst: Document m2m stateless
> video decoder interface':
> 
> On 10/19/18 10:09, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> > Two points being currently discussed have not been changed in this
> > revision due to lack of better idea. Of course this is open to change:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > * The other hot topic is the use of capture buffer indexes in order to
> >   reference frames. I understand the concerns, but I doesn't seem like
> >   we have come with a better proposal so far - and since capture buffers
> >   are essentially well, frames, using their buffer index to directly
> >   reference them doesn't sound too inappropriate to me. There is also
> >   the restriction that drivers must return capture buffers in queue
> >   order. Do we have any concrete example where this scenario would not
> >   work?
> 
> I'll stick to decoders in describing the issue. Stateless encoders probably
> do not have this issue.
> 
> To recap: the application provides a buffer with compressed data to the
> decoder. After the request is finished the application can dequeue the
> decompressed frame from the capture queue.
> 
> In order to decompress the decoder needs to access previously decoded
> reference frames. The request passed to the decoder contained state
> information containing the buffer index (or indices) of capture buffers
> that contain the reference frame(s).
> 
> This approach puts restrictions on the framework and the application:
> 
> 1) It assumes that the application can predict the capture indices.
> This works as long as there is a simple relationship between the
> buffer passed to the decoder and the buffer you get back.
> 
> But that may not be true for future codecs. And what if one buffer
> produces multiple capture buffers? (E.g. if you want to get back
> decompressed slices instead of full frames to reduce output latency).

I don't really understand how there could be multiple capture buffers
for the same frame used as reference here. I believe the stateless VPU
API should make it a hard requirement that reference frames must be
fully held in a single capture buffer. This is because the hardware
will generally expect one address for the reference frame (that's
definitely the case for Cedrus: we cannot deal with reference frames if
each reference is scattered accross multiple buffers).

So I don't believe it's a problem to associate a reference frame and a
single capture buffer for the stateless VPU case. Rather that it should
be specified as a requriement of the API.

I don't see any problem with allowing multiple output buffers though
(that should then be rendered to the same capture buffer), so the 1:1
relationship between output and capture cannot be assumed either way.

> This API should be designed to be future-proof (within reason of course),
> and I am not at all convinced that future codecs will be just as easy
> to predict.
> 
> 2) It assumes that neither drivers nor applications mess with the buffers.
> One case that might happen today is if the DMA fails and a buffer is
> returned marked ERROR and the DMA is retried with the next buffer. There
> is nothing in the spec that prevents you from doing that, but it will mess
> up the capture index numbering. And does the application always know in
> what order capture buffers are queued? Perhaps there are two threads: one
> queueing buffers with compressed data, and the other dequeueing the
> decompressed buffers, and they are running mostly independently.
> 
> I believe that assuming that you can always predict the indices of the
> capture queue is dangerous and asking for problems in the future.

I agree, assuming that userspace can predict the matching capture
buffer index seems very fragile. 

> I am very much in favor of using a dedicated cookie. The application sets
> it for the compressed buffer and the driver copies it to the uncompressed
> capture buffer. It keeps track of the association between capture index
> and cookie. If a compressed buffer decompresses into multiple capture
> buffers, then they will all be associated with the same cookie, so
> that simplifies how you refer to reference frames if they are split
> over multiple buffers.

This seems like a great idea, I'm all for it!

> The codec controls refer to reference frames by cookie(s).
> 
> For existing applications that use the capture index all you need to do
> is to set the capture index as the cookie value in the output buffer.
> 
> It is my understanding that ChromeOS was using the timestamp as the
> cookie value.
> 
> I have thought about that, but I am not in favor of doing that. One
> reason is that struct timeval comes in various flavors (32 bit, 64 bit,
> and a y2038-compatible 32-bit type in the future).
> 
> The y2038 compat code that we will need concerns me in particular since
> it will mean that the timeval is converted from 32 to 64 bit and back
> again, and that might well mangle the data. I'm not so sure if you can
> stick a 64-bit pointer in the timeval (e.g. the high 32 bits go to into
> the tv_sec field, the low 32 bits go to the usecs). The y2038 conversion
> might mangle the tv_usec field (e.g. divide by 1000000 and add the seconds
> to the tv_sec field).
> 
> I would really prefer an independent 64-bit cookie value that the application
> can set instead of abusing something else.
> 
> I propose to make a union with v4l2_timecode (which nobody uses) and a
> new V4L2_BUF_FLAG_COOKIE flag.
> 
> struct v4l2_buffer_cookie {
> 	__u32 high;
> 	__u32 low;
> };
> 
> And in v4l2_buffer:
> 
> 	union {
> 		struct v4l2_timecode timecode;
> 		struct v4l2_buffer_cookie cookie;
> 	};
> 
> And static inlines:
> 
> void v4l2_buffer_set_cookie(struct v4l2_buffer *buf, __u64 cookie)
> {
> 	buf->cookie.high = cookie >> 32;
> 	buf->cookie.low = cookie & 0xffffffffULL;
> 	buf->flags |= V4L2_BUF_FLAG_COOKIE;
> }
> 
> void v4l2_buffer_set_cookie_ptr(struct v4l2_buffer *buf, void *cookie)
> {
> 	v4l2_buffer_set_cookie(buf, (__u64)cookie);
> }
> 
> __u64 v4l2_buffer_get_cookie(struct v4l2_buffer *buf)
> {
> 	if (!(buf->flags & V4L2_BUF_FLAG_COOKIE))
> 		return 0;
> 	return (((__u64)buf->cookie.high) << 32) | (__u64)buf->cookie.low;
> }
> 
> void *v4l2_buffer_get_cookie_ptr(struct v4l2_buffer *buf)
> {
> 	return (void *)v4l2_buffer_get_cookie(buf);
> }
> 
> Why not just use __u64? Because the alignment in v4l2_buffer is a nightmare.
> Using __u64 would create holes, made even worse by different struct timeval
> sizes depending on the architecture.
> 
> I'm proposing a struct v4l2_ext_buffer together with new streaming ioctls
> during the media summit that has a clean layout and there this can be just
> a __u64.
> 
> I'm calling it a 'cookie' here, but that's just a suggestion. Better
> names are welcome.

Cheers,

Paul

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* Re: [RFC] Stateless codecs: how to refer to reference frames
  2018-10-19  9:40 ` [RFC] Stateless codecs: how to refer to reference frames Hans Verkuil
  2018-10-24  9:16   ` Alexandre Courbot
  2018-10-24 10:44   ` Paul Kocialkowski
@ 2018-10-24 11:03   ` Hans Verkuil
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Hans Verkuil @ 2018-10-24 11:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alexandre Courbot, Tomasz Figa, Paul Kocialkowski,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab, Pawel Osciak, linux-media
  Cc: linux-kernel, Maxime Ripard, Ezequiel Garcia

On 10/19/2018 10:40 AM, Hans Verkuil wrote:
> From Alexandre's '[RFC PATCH v3] media: docs-rst: Document m2m stateless
> video decoder interface':
> 
> On 10/19/18 10:09, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
>> Two points being currently discussed have not been changed in this
>> revision due to lack of better idea. Of course this is open to change:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>> * The other hot topic is the use of capture buffer indexes in order to
>>   reference frames. I understand the concerns, but I doesn't seem like
>>   we have come with a better proposal so far - and since capture buffers
>>   are essentially well, frames, using their buffer index to directly
>>   reference them doesn't sound too inappropriate to me. There is also
>>   the restriction that drivers must return capture buffers in queue
>>   order. Do we have any concrete example where this scenario would not
>>   work?
> 
> I'll stick to decoders in describing the issue. Stateless encoders probably
> do not have this issue.
> 
> To recap: the application provides a buffer with compressed data to the
> decoder. After the request is finished the application can dequeue the
> decompressed frame from the capture queue.
> 
> In order to decompress the decoder needs to access previously decoded
> reference frames. The request passed to the decoder contained state
> information containing the buffer index (or indices) of capture buffers
> that contain the reference frame(s).
> 
> This approach puts restrictions on the framework and the application:
> 
> 1) It assumes that the application can predict the capture indices.
> This works as long as there is a simple relationship between the
> buffer passed to the decoder and the buffer you get back.
> 
> But that may not be true for future codecs. And what if one buffer
> produces multiple capture buffers? (E.g. if you want to get back
> decompressed slices instead of full frames to reduce output latency).
> 
> This API should be designed to be future-proof (within reason of course),
> and I am not at all convinced that future codecs will be just as easy
> to predict.
> 
> 2) It assumes that neither drivers nor applications mess with the buffers.
> One case that might happen today is if the DMA fails and a buffer is
> returned marked ERROR and the DMA is retried with the next buffer. There
> is nothing in the spec that prevents you from doing that, but it will mess
> up the capture index numbering. And does the application always know in
> what order capture buffers are queued? Perhaps there are two threads: one
> queueing buffers with compressed data, and the other dequeueing the
> decompressed buffers, and they are running mostly independently.
> 
> 
> I believe that assuming that you can always predict the indices of the
> capture queue is dangerous and asking for problems in the future.
> 
> 
> I am very much in favor of using a dedicated cookie. The application sets
> it for the compressed buffer and the driver copies it to the uncompressed
> capture buffer. It keeps track of the association between capture index
> and cookie. If a compressed buffer decompresses into multiple capture
> buffers, then they will all be associated with the same cookie, so
> that simplifies how you refer to reference frames if they are split
> over multiple buffers.
> 
> The codec controls refer to reference frames by cookie(s).
> 
> For existing applications that use the capture index all you need to do
> is to set the capture index as the cookie value in the output buffer.
> 
> It is my understanding that ChromeOS was using the timestamp as the
> cookie value.
> 
> I have thought about that, but I am not in favor of doing that. One
> reason is that struct timeval comes in various flavors (32 bit, 64 bit,
> and a y2038-compatible 32-bit type in the future).
> 
> The y2038 compat code that we will need concerns me in particular since
> it will mean that the timeval is converted from 32 to 64 bit and back
> again, and that might well mangle the data. I'm not so sure if you can
> stick a 64-bit pointer in the timeval (e.g. the high 32 bits go to into
> the tv_sec field, the low 32 bits go to the usecs). The y2038 conversion
> might mangle the tv_usec field (e.g. divide by 1000000 and add the seconds
> to the tv_sec field).
> 
> I would really prefer an independent 64-bit cookie value that the application
> can set instead of abusing something else.
> 
> I propose to make a union with v4l2_timecode (which nobody uses) and a
> new V4L2_BUF_FLAG_COOKIE flag.
> 
> struct v4l2_buffer_cookie {
> 	__u32 high;
> 	__u32 low;
> };
> 
> And in v4l2_buffer:
> 
> 	union {
> 		struct v4l2_timecode timecode;
> 		struct v4l2_buffer_cookie cookie;
> 	};
> 
> And static inlines:
> 
> void v4l2_buffer_set_cookie(struct v4l2_buffer *buf, __u64 cookie)
> {
> 	buf->cookie.high = cookie >> 32;
> 	buf->cookie.low = cookie & 0xffffffffULL;
> 	buf->flags |= V4L2_BUF_FLAG_COOKIE;
> }
> 
> void v4l2_buffer_set_cookie_ptr(struct v4l2_buffer *buf, void *cookie)
> {
> 	v4l2_buffer_set_cookie(buf, (__u64)cookie);
> }
> 
> __u64 v4l2_buffer_get_cookie(struct v4l2_buffer *buf)
> {
> 	if (!(buf->flags & V4L2_BUF_FLAG_COOKIE))
> 		return 0;
> 	return (((__u64)buf->cookie.high) << 32) | (__u64)buf->cookie.low;
> }
> 
> void *v4l2_buffer_get_cookie_ptr(struct v4l2_buffer *buf)
> {
> 	return (void *)v4l2_buffer_get_cookie(buf);
> }
> 
> Why not just use __u64? Because the alignment in v4l2_buffer is a nightmare.
> Using __u64 would create holes, made even worse by different struct timeval
> sizes depending on the architecture.
> 
> I'm proposing a struct v4l2_ext_buffer together with new streaming ioctls
> during the media summit that has a clean layout and there this can be just
> a __u64.
> 
> I'm calling it a 'cookie' here, but that's just a suggestion. Better
> names are welcome.
> 
> Comments are welcome.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 	Hans
> 

I added cookie support to vb2 in this branch:

https://git.linuxtv.org/hverkuil/media_tree.git/log/?h=cookie

It's compile tested only.

The core is a new vb2_find_cookie() function that returns the index of the first buffer that matches
the cookie, or -1 if nothing was found.

It only checks buffers that have a cookie and that are in the DEQUEUED or DONE state.

I'm not wedded to the 'int' return code, it could also return a vb2_buffer pointer.

It also returns a single buffer at the moment, so it will have to be changed to support
cases where there are multiple buffers that all belong to the same reference frame
(i.e. slices). But we don't support that anyway at the moment. I'm considering adding
a 'start' index argument so it can be called multiple times to find all buffers with
the same cookie.

No documentation yet, and as mentioned it is only compiled tested.

Regards,

	Hans

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* Re: [RFC] Stateless codecs: how to refer to reference frames
  2018-10-24  9:52     ` Hans Verkuil
@ 2018-10-26  7:38       ` Alexandre Courbot
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Alexandre Courbot @ 2018-10-26  7:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Hans Verkuil
  Cc: Tomasz Figa, Paul Kocialkowski, Mauro Carvalho Chehab,
	Pawel Osciak, Linux Media Mailing List, LKML

Hi Hans,

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 6:52 PM Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> HI Alexandre,
>
> On 10/24/2018 10:16 AM, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> > Hi Hans,
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 6:40 PM Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> >>
> >> From Alexandre's '[RFC PATCH v3] media: docs-rst: Document m2m stateless
> >> video decoder interface':
> >>
> >> On 10/19/18 10:09, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> >>> Two points being currently discussed have not been changed in this
> >>> revision due to lack of better idea. Of course this is open to change:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >>> * The other hot topic is the use of capture buffer indexes in order to
> >>>   reference frames. I understand the concerns, but I doesn't seem like
> >>>   we have come with a better proposal so far - and since capture buffers
> >>>   are essentially well, frames, using their buffer index to directly
> >>>   reference them doesn't sound too inappropriate to me. There is also
> >>>   the restriction that drivers must return capture buffers in queue
> >>>   order. Do we have any concrete example where this scenario would not
> >>>   work?
> >>
> >> I'll stick to decoders in describing the issue. Stateless encoders probably
> >> do not have this issue.
> >>
> >> To recap: the application provides a buffer with compressed data to the
> >> decoder. After the request is finished the application can dequeue the
> >> decompressed frame from the capture queue.
> >>
> >> In order to decompress the decoder needs to access previously decoded
> >> reference frames. The request passed to the decoder contained state
> >> information containing the buffer index (or indices) of capture buffers
> >> that contain the reference frame(s).
> >>
> >> This approach puts restrictions on the framework and the application:
> >>
> >> 1) It assumes that the application can predict the capture indices.
> >> This works as long as there is a simple relationship between the
> >> buffer passed to the decoder and the buffer you get back.
> >>
> >> But that may not be true for future codecs. And what if one buffer
> >> produces multiple capture buffers? (E.g. if you want to get back
> >> decompressed slices instead of full frames to reduce output latency).
> >>
> >> This API should be designed to be future-proof (within reason of course),
> >> and I am not at all convinced that future codecs will be just as easy
> >> to predict.
> >>
> >> 2) It assumes that neither drivers nor applications mess with the buffers.
> >> One case that might happen today is if the DMA fails and a buffer is
> >> returned marked ERROR and the DMA is retried with the next buffer. There
> >> is nothing in the spec that prevents you from doing that, but it will mess
> >> up the capture index numbering. And does the application always know in
> >> what order capture buffers are queued? Perhaps there are two threads: one
> >> queueing buffers with compressed data, and the other dequeueing the
> >> decompressed buffers, and they are running mostly independently.
> >>
> >>
> >> I believe that assuming that you can always predict the indices of the
> >> capture queue is dangerous and asking for problems in the future.
> >>
> >>
> >> I am very much in favor of using a dedicated cookie. The application sets
> >> it for the compressed buffer and the driver copies it to the uncompressed
> >> capture buffer. It keeps track of the association between capture index
> >> and cookie. If a compressed buffer decompresses into multiple capture
> >> buffers, then they will all be associated with the same cookie, so
> >> that simplifies how you refer to reference frames if they are split
> >> over multiple buffers.
> >>
> >> The codec controls refer to reference frames by cookie(s).
> >
> > So as discussed yesterday, I understand your issue with using buffer
> > indexes. The cookie idea sounds like it could work, but I'm afraid you
> > could still run into issues when you don't have buffer symmetry.
> >
> > For instance, imagine that the compressed buffer contains 2 frames
> > worth of data. In this case, the 2 dequeued capture buffers would
> > carry the same cookie, making it impossible to reference either frame
> > unambiguously.
>
> But this is a stateless codec, so each compressed buffer contains only
> one frame. That's the responsibility of the bitstream parser to ensure
> that.

Just as we are making the design future-proof by considering the case
where we get one buffer per slice, shouldn't we think about the
(currently hypothetical) case of a future codec specification in which
slices contain information that is relevant for several consecutive
frames? It may be a worthless design as classic reference frames are
probably enough to carry redundant information, but wanted to point
the scenario just in case.

>
> The whole idea of the stateless codec is that you supply only one frame
> at a time to the codec.
>
> If someone indeed puts multiple frames into a single buffer, then
> the behavior is likely undefined. Does anyone have any idea what
> would happen with the cedrus driver in that case? This is actually
> a good test.
>
> Anyway, I would consider this an application bug. Garbage in, garbage out.

Yeah, at least for the existing codecs this should be a bug.

>
> >
> > There may also be a similar, yet simpler solution already in place
> > that we can use. The v4l2_buffer structure contains a "sequence"
> > member, that is supposed to sequentially count the delivered frames.
>
> The sequence field suffers from exactly the same problems as the
> buffer index: it doesn't work if one compressed frame results in
> multiple capture buffers (one for each slice), since the sequence
> number will be increased for each capture buffer. Also if capture
> buffers are marked as error for some reason, the sequence number is
> also incremented for that buffer, again making it impossible to
> predict in userspace what the sequence counter will be.

Well if we get one capture buffer per slice, user-space can count them
just as well as in the one buffer per frame scenario.

That being said, I agree that requiring user-space to keep track of
that could be tricky. Lose track once, and all your future reference
frames will use an incorrect buffer.

So cookies it is, I guess! I will include them in the next version of the RFC.

Cheers,
Alex.

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* Re: [RFC PATCH v3] media: docs-rst: Document m2m stateless video decoder interface
  2018-10-19  8:09 [RFC PATCH v3] media: docs-rst: Document m2m stateless video decoder interface Alexandre Courbot
                   ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2018-10-23  3:47 ` [RFC PATCH v3] media: docs-rst: Document m2m stateless video decoder interface Tomasz Figa
@ 2018-11-12 14:40 ` Hans Verkuil
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Hans Verkuil @ 2018-11-12 14:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alexandre Courbot, Tomasz Figa, Paul Kocialkowski,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab, Pawel Osciak, linux-media
  Cc: linux-kernel

Hi Alexandre,

Thank you very much for this v3. Comments below.

On 10/19/2018 10:09 AM, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> Thanks everyone for the feedback on v2! I have not replied to all the
> individual emails but hope this v3 will address some of the problems
> raised and become a continuation point for the topics still in
> discussion (probably during the ELCE Media Summit).
> 
> This patch documents the protocol that user-space should follow when
> communicating with stateless video decoders. It is based on the
> following references:
> 
> * The current protocol used by Chromium (converted from config store to
>   request API)
> 
> * The submitted Cedrus VPU driver
> 
> As such, some things may not be entirely consistent with the current
> state of drivers, so it would be great if all stakeholders could point
> out these inconsistencies. :)
> 
> This patch is supposed to be applied on top of the Request API V18 as
> well as the memory-to-memory video decoder interface series by Tomasz
> Figa.
> 
> Changes since v2:
> 
> * Specify that the frame header controls should be set prior to
>   enumerating the CAPTURE queue, instead of the profile which as Paul
>   and Tomasz pointed out is not enough to know which raw formats will be
>   usable.
> * Change V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SLICE_PARAM to
>   V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SLICE_PARAMS.
> * Various rewording and rephrasing
> 
> Two points being currently discussed have not been changed in this
> revision due to lack of better idea. Of course this is open to change:
> 
> * The restriction of having to send full frames for each input buffer is
>   kept as-is. As Hans pointed, we currently have a hard limit of 32
>   buffers per queue, and it may be non-trivial to lift. Also some codecs
>   (at least Venus AFAIK) do have this restriction in hardware, so unless
>   we want to do some buffer-rearranging in-kernel, it is probably better
>   to keep the default behavior as-is. Finally, relaxing the rule should
>   be easy enough if we add one extra control to query whether the
>   hardware can work with slice units, as opposed to frame units.
> 
> * The other hot topic is the use of capture buffer indexes in order to
>   reference frames. I understand the concerns, but I doesn't seem like
>   we have come with a better proposal so far - and since capture buffers
>   are essentially well, frames, using their buffer index to directly
>   reference them doesn't sound too inappropriate to me. There is also
>   the restriction that drivers must return capture buffers in queue
>   order. Do we have any concrete example where this scenario would not
>   work?
> 
> As usual, thanks for the insightful comments, and let's make sure we are
> ready for a fruitful discussion during the Summit! :)
> 
> Signed-off-by: Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@chromium.org>
> ---
>  .../media/uapi/v4l/dev-stateless-decoder.rst  | 360 ++++++++++++++++++
>  Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/devices.rst      |   1 +
>  .../media/uapi/v4l/extended-controls.rst      |  25 ++
>  .../media/uapi/v4l/pixfmt-compressed.rst      |  54 ++-
>  4 files changed, 436 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
>  create mode 100644 Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/dev-stateless-decoder.rst
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/dev-stateless-decoder.rst b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/dev-stateless-decoder.rst
> new file mode 100644
> index 000000000000..d9a0092adcb7
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/dev-stateless-decoder.rst
> @@ -0,0 +1,360 @@
> +.. -*- coding: utf-8; mode: rst -*-
> +
> +.. _stateless_decoder:
> +
> +**************************************************
> +Memory-to-memory Stateless Video Decoder Interface
> +**************************************************
> +
> +A stateless decoder is a decoder that works without retaining any kind of state
> +between processing frames. This means that each frame is decoded independently
> +of any previous and future frames, and that the client is responsible for
> +maintaining the decoding state and providing it to the driver. This is in
> +contrast to the stateful video decoder interface, where the hardware maintains
> +the decoding state and all the client has to do is to provide the raw encoded
> +stream.
> +
> +This section describes how user-space ("the client") is expected to communicate
> +with such decoders in order to successfully decode an encoded stream. Compared
> +to stateful codecs, the driver/client sequence is simpler, but the cost of this
> +simplicity is extra complexity in the client which must maintain a consistent
> +decoding state.
> +
> +Querying capabilities
> +=====================
> +
> +1. To enumerate the set of coded formats supported by the driver, the client
> +   calls :c:func:`VIDIOC_ENUM_FMT` on the ``OUTPUT`` queue.
> +
> +   * The driver must always return the full set of supported ``OUTPUT`` formats,
> +     irrespective of the format currently set on the ``CAPTURE`` queue.
> +
> +   * Simultaneously, the driver must restrain the set of values returned by
> +     codec-specific capability controls (such as H.264 profiles) to the set
> +     actually supported by the hardware.
> +
> +2. To enumerate the set of supported raw formats, the client calls
> +   :c:func:`VIDIOC_ENUM_FMT` on the ``CAPTURE`` queue.
> +
> +   * The driver must return only the formats supported for the format currently
> +     active on the ``OUTPUT`` queue.
> +
> +   * Depending on the currently set ``OUTPUT`` format, the set of supported raw
> +     formats may depend on the value of some controls (e.g. parsed format
> +     headers) which are codec-dependent. The client is responsible for making
> +     sure that these controls are set before querying the ``CAPTURE`` queue.
> +     Failure to do so will result in the default values for these controls being
> +     used, and a returned set of formats that may not be usable for the media
> +     the client is trying to decode.
> +
> +3. The client may use :c:func:`VIDIOC_ENUM_FRAMESIZES` to detect supported
> +   resolutions for a given format, passing desired pixel format in
> +   :c:type:`v4l2_frmsizeenum`'s ``pixel_format``.
> +
> +   * Values returned by :c:func:`VIDIOC_ENUM_FRAMESIZES` on ``OUTPUT`` queue
> +     must include all possible coded resolutions supported by the decoder
> +     for the current coded pixel format.

The ENUM_FRAMESIZES ioctl isn't per queue, so using terminology like 'on OUTPUT
queue' doesn't work. Use the same phrases that Tomasz uses in his stateful codec
documentation.

> +
> +   * Values returned by :c:func:`VIDIOC_ENUM_FRAMESIZES` on ``CAPTURE`` queue
> +     must include all possible frame buffer resolutions supported by the
> +     decoder for given raw pixel format and coded format currently set on
> +     ``OUTPUT`` queue.
> +
> +    .. note::
> +
> +       The client may derive the supported resolution range for a
> +       combination of coded and raw format by setting width and height of
> +       ``OUTPUT`` format to 0 and calculating the intersection of
> +       resolutions returned from calls to :c:func:`VIDIOC_ENUM_FRAMESIZES`
> +       for the given coded and raw formats.
> +
> +4. Supported profiles and levels for given format, if applicable, may be

given format -> the coded format currently set on ``OUTPUT``

> +   queried using their respective controls via :c:func:`VIDIOC_QUERYCTRL`.
> +
> +Initialization
> +==============
> +
> +1. *[optional]* Enumerate supported ``OUTPUT`` formats and resolutions. See
> +   "Querying capabilities".

As mentioned in my stateful codec review: I think this step can be dropped.

> +
> +2. Set the coded format on the ``OUTPUT`` queue via :c:func:`VIDIOC_S_FMT`
> +
> +   * **Required fields:**
> +
> +     ``type``
> +         a ``V4L2_BUF_TYPE_*`` enum appropriate for ``OUTPUT``
> +
> +     ``pixelformat``
> +         a coded pixel format
> +
> +     ``width``, ``height``
> +         coded width and height parsed from the stream
> +
> +     other fields
> +         follow standard semantics
> +
> +   .. note::
> +
> +      Changing ``OUTPUT`` format may change currently set ``CAPTURE``
> +      format. The driver will derive a new ``CAPTURE`` format from the

General note: in the stateful codec text we replaced 'driver' by 'decoder'
or 'encoder'. Although I still see a few remaining occurrences of 'driver'
in the text...

> +      ``OUTPUT`` format being set, including resolution, colorimetry
> +      parameters, etc. If the client needs a specific ``CAPTURE`` format,
> +      it must adjust it afterwards.
> +
> +3. Call :c:func:`VIDIOC_S_EXT_CTRLS` to set all the controls (parsed headers,
> +   etc.) required by the ``OUTPUT`` format to enumerate the ``CAPTURE`` formats.
> +
> +4. Call :c:func:`VIDIOC_G_FMT` for ``CAPTURE`` queue to get the format for the
> +   destination buffers parsed/decoded from the bitstream.
> +
> +   * **Required fields:**
> +
> +     ``type``
> +         a ``V4L2_BUF_TYPE_*`` enum appropriate for ``CAPTURE``
> +
> +   * **Returned fields:**
> +
> +     ``width``, ``height``
> +         frame buffer resolution for the decoded frames
> +
> +     ``pixelformat``
> +         pixel format for decoded frames
> +
> +     ``num_planes`` (for _MPLANE ``type`` only)
> +         number of planes for pixelformat
> +
> +     ``sizeimage``, ``bytesperline``
> +         as per standard semantics; matching frame buffer format
> +
> +   .. note::
> +
> +      The value of ``pixelformat`` may be any pixel format supported for the
> +      ``OUTPUT`` format, based on the hardware capabilities. It is suggested
> +      that driver chooses the preferred/optimal format for the current
> +      configuration. For example, a YUV format may be preferred over an RGB
> +      format, if an additional conversion step would be required for RGB.
> +
> +5. *[optional]* Enumerate ``CAPTURE`` formats via :c:func:`VIDIOC_ENUM_FMT` on
> +   the ``CAPTURE`` queue. The client may use this ioctl to discover which
> +   alternative raw formats are supported for the current ``OUTPUT`` format and
> +   select one of them via :c:func:`VIDIOC_S_FMT`.
> +
> +   .. note::
> +
> +      The driver will return only formats supported for the currently selected
> +      ``OUTPUT`` format, even if more formats may be supported by the driver in
> +      general.
> +
> +      For example, a driver/hardware may support YUV and RGB formats for
> +      resolutions 1920x1088 and lower, but only YUV for higher resolutions (due
> +      to hardware limitations). After setting a resolution of 1920x1088 or lower
> +      as the ``OUTPUT`` format, :c:func:`VIDIOC_ENUM_FMT` may return a set of
> +      YUV and RGB pixel formats, but after setting a resolution higher than
> +      1920x1088, the driver will not return RGB pixel formats, since they are
> +      unsupported for this resolution.
> +
> +6. *[optional]* Choose a different ``CAPTURE`` format than suggested via
> +   :c:func:`VIDIOC_S_FMT` on ``CAPTURE`` queue. It is possible for the client to
> +   choose a different format than selected/suggested by the driver in
> +   :c:func:`VIDIOC_G_FMT`.
> +
> +    * **Required fields:**
> +
> +      ``type``
> +          a ``V4L2_BUF_TYPE_*`` enum appropriate for ``CAPTURE``
> +
> +      ``pixelformat``
> +          a raw pixel format
> +
> +7. Allocate source (bitstream) buffers via :c:func:`VIDIOC_REQBUFS` on
> +   ``OUTPUT`` queue.
> +
> +    * **Required fields:**
> +
> +      ``count``
> +          requested number of buffers to allocate; greater than zero
> +
> +      ``type``
> +          a ``V4L2_BUF_TYPE_*`` enum appropriate for ``OUTPUT``
> +
> +      ``memory``
> +          follows standard semantics
> +
> +      ``sizeimage``
> +          follows standard semantics; the client is free to choose any
> +          suitable size, however, it may be subject to change by the
> +          driver

??? sizeimage isn't a field of struct v4l2_requestbuffers. Copy-and-paste error?
It does apply to CREATE_BUFS, though.

> +
> +    * **Return fields:**
> +
> +      ``count``
> +          actual number of buffers allocated
> +
> +    * The driver must adjust count to the minimum of required number of
> +      ``OUTPUT`` buffers for the given format and requested count. The client
> +      must check this value after the ioctl returns to get the number of buffers
> +      allocated.
> +
> +    .. note::
> +
> +       To allocate more than the minimum number of buffers (for pipeline depth),
> +       use c:func:`VIDIOC_G_CTRL` (``V4L2_CID_MIN_BUFFERS_FOR_OUTPUT``) to get

c:func: -> :c:func:

> +       the minimum number of buffers required by the driver/format, and pass the
> +       obtained value plus the number of additional buffers needed in count to
> +       :c:func:`VIDIOC_REQBUFS`.

Same remark as I made for the stateful codec: I see no use-case for this control on
the output queue of a decoder.

> +
> +8. Allocate destination (raw format) buffers via :c:func:`VIDIOC_REQBUFS` on the
> +   ``CAPTURE`` queue.
> +
> +    * **Required fields:**
> +
> +      ``count``
> +          requested number of buffers to allocate; greater than zero
> +
> +      ``type``
> +          a ``V4L2_BUF_TYPE_*`` enum appropriate for ``CAPTURE``
> +
> +      ``memory``
> +          follows standard semantics
> +
> +    * **Return fields:**
> +
> +      ``count``
> +          adjusted to allocated number of buffers
> +
> +    * The driver must adjust count to the minimum of required number of
> +      ``CAPTURE`` buffers for the current format, stream configuration and
> +      requested count. The client must check this value after the ioctl
> +      returns to get the number of buffers allocated.
> +
> +    .. note::
> +
> +       To allocate more than the minimum number of buffers (for pipeline depth),
> +       use c:func:`VIDIOC_G_CTRL` (``V4L2_CID_MIN_BUFFERS_FOR_CAPTURE``) to get
> +       the minimum number of buffers required by the driver/format, and pass the
> +       obtained value plus the number of additional buffers needed in count to
> +       :c:func:`VIDIOC_REQBUFS`.

Can this even be set correctly for a stateless decoder? The minimum number of capture
buffers would (I expect) depend on things like the GOP size, but is that even
communicated as part of the state? I would assume that this is something that the
client knows, but not necessarily the driver.

> +
> +9. Allocate requests (likely one per ``OUTPUT`` buffer) via
> +    :c:func:`MEDIA_IOC_REQUEST_ALLOC` on the media device.
> +
> +10. Start streaming on both ``OUTPUT`` and ``CAPTURE`` queues via
> +    :c:func:`VIDIOC_STREAMON`.
> +
> +Decoding
> +========
> +
> +For each frame, the client is responsible for submitting a request to which the
> +following is attached:
> +
> +* Exactly one frame worth of encoded data in a buffer submitted to the
> +  ``OUTPUT`` queue,
> +* All the controls relevant to the format being decoded (see below for details).
> +
> +.. note::
> +
> +   The API currently requires one frame of encoded data per ``OUTPUT`` buffer,
> +   even though some encoded formats may present their data in smaller chunks
> +   (e.g. H.264's frames can be made of several slices that can be processed
> +   independently). It is currently the responsibility of the client to gather
> +   the different parts of a frame into a single ``OUTPUT`` buffer, if required
> +   by the encoded format. This restriction may be lifted in the future.
> +
> +``CAPTURE`` buffers must not be part of the request, and are queued
> +independently. The driver will always pick the least recently queued ``CAPTURE``
> +buffer and decode the frame into it. ``CAPTURE`` buffers will be returned in
> +decode order (i.e. the same order as ``OUTPUT`` buffers were submitted),
> +therefore it is trivial for the client to know which ``CAPTURE`` buffer will
> +be used for a given frame. This point is essential for referencing frames since
> +we use the ``CAPTURE`` buffer index for that.

Will need to change once the tag support is in.

> +
> +If the request is submitted without an ``OUTPUT`` buffer, then
> +:c:func:`MEDIA_REQUEST_IOC_QUEUE` will return ``-ENOENT``. If more than one
> +buffer is queued, or if some of the required controls are missing, then it will
> +return ``-EINVAL``.

This is outdated: if the required controls are missing, then ENOENT is returned.
EINVAL is only returned if there are two or more output buffers.

 Decoding errors are signaled by the ``CAPTURE`` buffers
> +being dequeued carrying the ``V4L2_BUF_FLAG_ERROR`` flag. If a reference frame

reference -> decoded reference

> +has an error, then all other frames that refer to it will also have the

other frames -> following decoded frames

> +``V4L2_BUF_FLAG_ERROR`` flag set.
> +
> +The contents of source ``OUTPUT`` buffers, as well as the controls that must be
> +set on the request, depend on active coded pixel format and might be affected by

on active -> on the active

> +codec-specific extended controls, as stated in documentation of each format.
> +
> +Buffer management during decoding
> +=================================
> +Contrary to stateful decoder drivers, a stateless decoder driver does not
> +perform any kind of buffer management. It only guarantees that ``CAPTURE``
> +buffers will be dequeued in the same order as they are queued, and that
> +``OUTPUT`` buffers will be processed in queue order. This allows user-space to
> +know in advance which ``CAPTURE`` buffer will contain a given frame, and thus to
> +use that buffer ID as the key to indicate a reference frame.

The last sentence can be dropped on the tag support is in.

> +
> +This also means that user-space is fully responsible for not re-queuing a
> +``CAPTURE`` buffer as long as it is used as a reference frame. Failure to do so
> +will result in the reference frame's data being overwritten while still in use,
> +and visual corruption of future frames.
> +
> +Note that this applies to all types of buffers, and not only to
> +``V4L2_MEMORY_MMAP`` ones. Drivers supporting ``V4L2_MEMORY_DMABUF`` will
> +typically maintain a map of buffer IDs to DMABUF handles for reference frame
> +management. Queueing a buffer will result in the map entry to be overwritten
> +with the new DMABUF handle submitted in the :c:func:`VIDIOC_QBUF` ioctl, and
> +the previous DMABUF handles to be freed.

What happens if you QBUF a dmabuf, and it is dequeued with a reference frame. Now
you close the dmabuf fd, but reference afterwards it to decode a P/B-frame.

I think that when you validate a request, and the request refers to reference
frames, then at that moment the dmabuf refcount should be incremented to verify
that it still exists and to prevent it from being closed until the request has
completed.

We need to add some vb2 helpers for this. It's also something a compliance
test will have to check.

We also decided not to support USERPTR mode for stateless codecs, so we need to
mention that here as well.

> +
> +Seek
> +====
> +In order to seek, the client just needs to submit requests using input buffers
> +corresponding to the new stream position. It must however be aware that
> +resolution may have changed and follow the dynamic resolution change sequence in
> +that case. Also depending on the codec used, picture parameters (e.g. SPS/PPS
> +for H.264) may have changed and the client is responsible for making sure that
> +a valid state is sent to the kernel.
> +
> +The client is then free to ignore any returned ``CAPTURE`` buffer that comes
> +from the pre-seek position.
> +
> +Pause
> +=====
> +
> +In order to pause, the client should just cease queuing buffers onto the
> +``OUTPUT`` queue. This is different from the general V4L2 API definition of
> +pause, which involves calling :c:func:`VIDIOC_STREAMOFF` on the queue.

I'd drop this sentence. It isn't really true and only confuses the documentation.

> +Without source bitstream data, there is no data to process and the hardware
> +remains idle.
> +
> +Dynamic resolution change
> +=========================
> +
> +If the client detects a resolution change in the stream, it will need to perform
> +the initialization sequence again with the new resolution:
> +
> +1. Wait until all submitted requests have completed and dequeue the
> +   corresponding output buffers.
> +
> +2. Call :c:func:`VIDIOC_STREAMOFF` on both the ``OUTPUT`` and ``CAPTURE``
> +   queues.
> +
> +3. Free all buffers by calling :c:func:`VIDIOC_REQBUFS` on the
> +   ``OUTPUT`` and ``CAPTURE`` queues with a buffer count of zero.
> +
> +Then perform the initialization sequence again, with the new resolution set
> +on the ``OUTPUT`` queue. Note that due to resolution constraints, a different
> +format may need to be picked on the ``CAPTURE`` queue.
> +
> +Drain
> +=====
> +
> +In order to drain the stream on a stateless decoder, the client just needs to
> +wait until all the submitted requests are completed. There is no need to send a
> +``V4L2_DEC_CMD_STOP`` command since requests are processed sequentially by the
> +driver.
> +
> +End of stream
> +=============
> +
> +If the decoder encounters an end of stream marking in the stream, the
> +driver must send a ``V4L2_EVENT_EOS`` event to the client after all frames
> +are decoded and ready to be dequeued on the ``CAPTURE`` queue, with the
> +:c:type:`v4l2_buffer` ``flags`` set to ``V4L2_BUF_FLAG_LAST``. This
> +behavior is identical to the drain sequence triggered by the client via
> +``V4L2_DEC_CMD_STOP``.

The stateful documentation says that EVENT_EOS is deprecated and clients should
just check BUF_FLAG_LAST. Is that true for stateless codecs as well?

Can 'bytesused' be 0 for the last buffer, just like in the stateful case?

> diff --git a/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/devices.rst b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/devices.rst
> index 1822c66c2154..a8e568eda7d8 100644
> --- a/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/devices.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/devices.rst
> @@ -16,6 +16,7 @@ Interfaces
>      dev-osd
>      dev-codec
>      dev-decoder
> +    dev-stateless-decoder
>      dev-encoder
>      dev-effect
>      dev-raw-vbi
> diff --git a/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/extended-controls.rst b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/extended-controls.rst
> index a9252225b63e..afffb64c47d0 100644
> --- a/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/extended-controls.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/extended-controls.rst
> @@ -810,6 +810,31 @@ enum v4l2_mpeg_video_bitrate_mode -
>      otherwise the decoder expects a single frame in per buffer.
>      Applicable to the decoder, all codecs.

Please split off this H264 documentation into a separate patch. Or even better:
post this as a separate patch. It's really unrelated to the spec for stateless codecs.

I'm not reviewing this part. When H.264 support is added to a stateless decoder
driver, then this should be included in the patch series and I'll look at it.

Regards,

	Hans

>  
> +.. _v4l2-mpeg-h264:
> +
> +``V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SPS``
> +    Instance of struct v4l2_ctrl_h264_sps, containing the SPS of to use with
> +    the next queued frame. Applicable to the H.264 stateless decoder.
> +
> +``V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_PPS``
> +    Instance of struct v4l2_ctrl_h264_pps, containing the PPS of to use with
> +    the next queued frame. Applicable to the H.264 stateless decoder.
> +
> +``V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SCALING_MATRIX``
> +    Instance of struct v4l2_ctrl_h264_scaling_matrix, containing the scaling
> +    matrix to use when decoding the next queued frame. Applicable to the H.264
> +    stateless decoder.
> +
> +``V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SLICE_PARAMS``
> +    Array of struct v4l2_ctrl_h264_slice_param, containing at least as many
> +    entries as there are slices in the corresponding ``OUTPUT`` buffer.
> +    Applicable to the H.264 stateless decoder.
> +
> +``V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_DECODE_PARAM``
> +    Instance of struct v4l2_ctrl_h264_decode_param, containing the high-level
> +    decoding parameters for a H.264 frame. Applicable to the H.264 stateless
> +    decoder.
> +
>  ``V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_VUI_SAR_ENABLE (boolean)``
>      Enable writing sample aspect ratio in the Video Usability
>      Information. Applicable to the H264 encoder.
> diff --git a/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/pixfmt-compressed.rst b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/pixfmt-compressed.rst
> index a86b59f770dd..c68af3313cfb 100644
> --- a/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/pixfmt-compressed.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/pixfmt-compressed.rst
> @@ -35,6 +35,42 @@ Compressed Formats
>        - ``V4L2_PIX_FMT_H264``
>        - 'H264'
>        - H264 video elementary stream with start codes.
> +    * .. _V4L2-PIX-FMT-H264-SLICE:
> +
> +      - ``V4L2_PIX_FMT_H264_SLICE``
> +      - 'H264'
> +      - H264 parsed slice data, as extracted from the H264 bitstream.
> +        This format is adapted for stateless video decoders using the M2M and
> +        Request APIs.
> +
> +        ``OUTPUT`` buffers must contain all the macroblock slices of a given
> +        frame, i.e. if a frame requires several macroblock slices to be entirely
> +        decoded, then all these slices must be provided. In addition, the
> +        following metadata controls must be set on the request for each frame:
> +
> +        V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SPS
> +           Instance of struct v4l2_ctrl_h264_sps, containing the SPS of to use
> +           with the frame.
> +
> +        V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_PPS
> +           Instance of struct v4l2_ctrl_h264_pps, containing the PPS of to use
> +           with the frame.
> +
> +        V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SCALING_MATRIX
> +           Instance of struct v4l2_ctrl_h264_scaling_matrix, containing the
> +           scaling matrix to use when decoding the frame.
> +
> +        V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_SLICE_PARAMS
> +           Array of struct v4l2_ctrl_h264_slice_param, containing at least as
> +           many entries as there are slices in the corresponding ``OUTPUT``
> +           buffer.
> +
> +        V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_H264_DECODE_PARAM
> +           Instance of struct v4l2_ctrl_h264_decode_param, containing the
> +           high-level decoding parameters for a H.264 frame.
> +
> +        See the :ref:`associated Codec Control IDs <v4l2-mpeg-h264>` for the
> +        format of these controls.
>      * .. _V4L2-PIX-FMT-H264-NO-SC:
>  
>        - ``V4L2_PIX_FMT_H264_NO_SC``
> @@ -67,10 +103,20 @@ Compressed Formats
>        - MPEG-2 parsed slice data, as extracted from the MPEG-2 bitstream.
>  	This format is adapted for stateless video decoders that implement a
>  	MPEG-2 pipeline (using the Memory to Memory and Media Request APIs).
> -	Metadata associated with the frame to decode is required to be passed
> -	through the ``V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_MPEG2_SLICE_PARAMS`` control and
> -	quantization matrices can optionally be specified through the
> -	``V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_MPEG2_QUANTIZATION`` control.
> +
> +        ``OUTPUT`` buffers must contain all the macroblock slices of a given
> +        frame, i.e. if a frame requires several macroblock slices to be entirely
> +        decoded, then all these slices must be provided. In addition, the
> +        following metadata controls must be set on the request for each frame:
> +
> +        V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_MPEG2_SLICE_PARAMS
> +          Slice parameters (one per slice) for the current frame.
> +
> +        Optional controls:
> +
> +        V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_MPEG2_QUANTIZATION
> +          Quantization matrices for the current frame.
> +
>  	See the :ref:`associated Codec Control IDs <v4l2-mpeg-mpeg2>`.
>  	Buffers associated with this pixel format must contain the appropriate
>  	number of macroblocks to decode a full corresponding frame.
> 


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