From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504CFC46475 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 20:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D975C20834 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 20:47:47 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key) header.d=thunk.org header.i=@thunk.org header.b="CjAG2xiZ" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org D975C20834 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=mit.edu Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726159AbeJZFWA (ORCPT ); Fri, 26 Oct 2018 01:22:00 -0400 Received: from imap.thunk.org ([74.207.234.97]:58336 "EHLO imap.thunk.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1725842AbeJZFWA (ORCPT ); Fri, 26 Oct 2018 01:22:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thunk.org; s=ef5046eb; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=vVoSaGpWrucJl55zuX2EOIj/joLeutl2zJYuIw2yUWQ=; b=CjAG2xiZd6JVxyDunMnWooCKvJ 1zMKWrR2dwsmLJC4+GMlu/8qZeH4jAGDEIy/kFzmWhpquGzhjDXM1sEB4r3RFVnI7r0vJktLvALZv 2xXkBtWldyYvdO3+yxs0Ue+BcxLeDbhripD47HJFcK/nG6tIH2aixDDq9y/2SMGFRX9A=; Received: from root (helo=callcc.thunk.org) by imap.thunk.org with local-esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gFmXH-0004Cp-NE; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 20:47:19 +0000 Received: by callcc.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id B8B4C7A447E; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 16:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 16:47:18 -0400 From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" To: esr@thyrsus.com, Greg Kroah-Hartman , visionsofalice@redchan.it, linux-kernel , rms@gnu.org, bruce@perens.com, moglen@columbia.edu, bkuhn@sfconservancy.org, editor@lwn.net, NeilBrown , Laura Abbott , Linus Torvalds , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Thomas Gleixner , Olof Johansson , Chris Mason , Mishi Choudhary , linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: The linux devs can rescind their license grant. Message-ID: <20181025204718.GB25649@thunk.org> Mail-Followup-To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" , esr@thyrsus.com, Greg Kroah-Hartman , visionsofalice@redchan.it, linux-kernel , rms@gnu.org, bruce@perens.com, moglen@columbia.edu, bkuhn@sfconservancy.org, editor@lwn.net, NeilBrown , Laura Abbott , Linus Torvalds , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Thomas Gleixner , Olof Johansson , Chris Mason , Mishi Choudhary , linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org References: <20181020134908.GA32218@kroah.com> <87y3ar80ac.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> <185b786a2bd6e8d527dca161dc42e4f1@redchan.it> <20181025081911.GB11343@kroah.com> <20181025193901.GD26403@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20181025193901.GD26403@thyrsus.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@thunk.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on imap.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 03:39:01PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > Under Jacobsen vs. Katzer (535 f 3d 1373 fed cir 2008) authors of > GPLed software have a specific right to relief (including injunctive > relief) against misappropriation of their software. That ruling (which > was the case of first impression on the binding status of the GPL) > reputational damage is *specifically* recognized as grounds for relief. I've read the legal briefs, and I'm pretty sure they don't say what you are claiming they say. Yes, I'm not a lawyer --- but that's OK --- neither are you. > The anti-CoC dissidents don't have to rescind their license grant to > cause a great deal of trouble. The *vast* majority of the "anti-CoC dissidents" who have been advancing this argument, have, as near as I can tell, little or no copyright ownership in the kernel. They are external trolls who are not members of the kernel development community, to the best of my belief and knowledge. In short; they are adding noise to the conversation, and have been presuming that in fact people are going to be regularly and summarily ejected from the community. In short, they are adding FUD, probably because they have their own agenda. I would recommend that before people respond such provocation messages, that they do a quick "git log" and find out whether they have in fact contributed code to the kernel at all, and if so, how long ago it was. Regards, - Ted