From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09FBECDE44 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 09:20:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963DB20833 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 09:20:07 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 963DB20833 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=thyrsus.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727732AbeKCSaq (ORCPT ); Sat, 3 Nov 2018 14:30:46 -0400 Received: from thyrsus.com ([71.162.243.5]:50196 "EHLO snark.thyrsus.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726539AbeKCSaq (ORCPT ); Sat, 3 Nov 2018 14:30:46 -0400 Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A46383A42A6; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 05:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 05:19:19 -0400 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: James Bottomley Cc: NeilBrown , paulmck@linux.ibm.com, Josh Triplett , Mishi Choudhary , Greg Kroah-Hartman , linux-kernel , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Call to Action Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document Message-ID: <20181103091919.GA20463@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: esr@thyrsus.com, James Bottomley , NeilBrown , paulmck@linux.ibm.com, Josh Triplett , Mishi Choudhary , Greg Kroah-Hartman , linux-kernel , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org References: <20181020134908.GA32218@kroah.com> <87y3ar80ac.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> <20181021222608.GA24845@localhost> <875zxt919d.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> <20181024121622.GA10942@localhost> <87ftwt6850.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> <20181027011010.GA29769@localhost> <20181101164544.GA31540@linux.ibm.com> <8736sk31t8.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> <1541166774.2872.3.camel@HansenPartnership.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+QahgC5+KEYLbs62" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1541166774.2872.3.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James Bottomley : > Actually, I think this whole code vs people debate is a straw man and > inherently inimical to the discussion. In neither code of conduct (old > or new) is there any statement that allows one to make a value judgment > of people relative to code, so the very premise you're all arguing on > doesn't exist. The author's original version of the new CoC is, however, associated with (and intended by its author to implement) "The Post-Meritocracy Manifesto". https://postmeritocracy.org/ Do you think it's a stretch to see "people > code" in that? --=20 Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil Engineering Institute: https://icei= =2Eorg Please visit their site and donate: the civilization you save might be your= own. --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEEQYdrL1eUY6SZhD0d7Mggj4xsc40FAlvdZ/gACgkQ7Mggj4xs c41VDRAAmImnyXKPIoIG9hQyy7Ud04vJXd83Um51hFnCXXURlUfz/j4h4UxC+qj7 +r+ii4514bJP2+W6w3uDKD0oho35jKe7NmV8OAYruC6jLYolCrQkll3glotD/2uI 6fy9PpigvbAzd9ltp1iazyi4KxN6K6QikDDGtD97k26LdixhbUtb+ZGhYgnkRsTD 0vtwMB7le6d2qS74uApdIcfqG7wgPsJ5LD9siVWgW7ZmBT8B2U/sIaYQI0sFCHQu nMD2p+sGE45VxEaJsqZsQKruaGRV1b46uS45j7MSsmolGHyiflODv+PnymSNRCID 9b2CdzUZ3FgfY7tMjvig83mOk18wgBOtw9x1HpgeZRKxpief7s2U/3bQOv5xoizL pbygwgy197kwNCiu0g2w0TbapYB6UJXW5VSDpxW5sGzprM1O8r3g24lQAfTwT1uX p7j7KyMpfFenfrt6Qam8vKmaOCTst+dmvFZDX2IusO9LyanF+1wDIuQq8XRHX59c EuBKG/1I8PLp4YPrV8rTLURU7Ci+8jSzWJpOwIvL63veq89Y7U32TCROqoIyouqz yvxEAz8/q8toIPWqq49K5MB+BB9hPTq0M5J9dnyDhkisLtcI3yNU5MnceiSRm+0Z cNUma+ECpZ89g51whoLauhN3Kz4U9ijBd+3A3SO/yIDNesZf3Gw= =ut+0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62--