From: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
Dmitriy Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com>,
Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] lockdep: Use line-buffered printk() for lockdep messages.
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 21:44:13 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181108124413.GB30440@jagdpanzerIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181108115310.rf7htdyyocaowbdk@pathway.suse.cz>
On (11/08/18 12:53), Petr Mladek wrote:
> > lockdep.c
> > printk_safe_enter_irqsave(flags);
> > lockdep_report();
> > printk_safe_exit_irqrestore(flags);
>
> All this looks nice. Let's look it also from the other side.
> The following comes to my mind:
>
> a) lockdep is not the only place when continuous lines get mixed.
> This patch mentions also RCU stalls. The other patch mentions
> OOM. I am sure that there will be more.
>
> b) It is not obvious where printk_safe() would be necessary.
> While buffered printk is clearly connected with continuous
> lines.
>
> c) I am not sure that disabling preemption would always be
> acceptable.
>
> d) We might need to increase the size of the per-CPU buffers if
> they are used more widely.
>
> e) People would need to learn a new (printk_safe) API when it is
> use outside printk sources.
>
> f) Losing the entire log is more painful than loosing one line
> when the buffer never gets flushed.
>
> Sigh, no solution is perfect. If only we could agree that one
> way was better than the other.
I agree with what you are saying. All of the above (in my email)
was for lockdep only, that's why I did mention lockdep several times.
Like I said, a random and wild idea.
I'm not proposing printk_safe as a "better" buffered printk for
everyone. The buffered_printk patch is pretty big, and comes with a
price tag.
If lockdep and OOM people will ACK buffered printk transition in
its current form, then we can go ahead.
It's debatable if we need a fixed size list of buffers; or we can
do kmalloc()+cont fallback. But if we will have ACKs, then we can
move forward.
-ss
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-11-08 12:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-11-02 13:31 [PATCH v6 1/3] printk: Add line-buffered printk() API Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-02 13:31 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: Use line-buffered printk() for show_free_areas() Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-07 14:07 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-02 13:31 ` [PATCH 3/3] lockdep: Use line-buffered printk() for lockdep messages Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-02 13:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-03 2:00 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-06 8:38 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-06 9:05 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-06 12:57 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-06 9:56 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-07 15:19 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-08 4:45 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-08 11:37 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-09 6:12 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-09 9:55 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-09 15:43 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-10 2:42 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-23 12:46 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-23 13:12 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-23 15:56 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-24 0:24 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-26 4:34 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-28 13:29 ` David Laight
2018-11-29 10:09 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-30 16:01 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-10 8:52 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-23 12:52 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-09 14:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-09 14:42 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-08 11:53 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-08 12:44 ` Sergey Senozhatsky [this message]
2018-11-08 14:21 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-09 9:54 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-02 14:40 ` [PATCH v6 1/3] printk: Add line-buffered printk() API Matthew Wilcox
2018-11-03 1:55 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-02 18:12 ` kbuild test robot
2018-11-06 14:35 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-07 10:21 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-07 12:54 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-08 2:21 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-08 11:24 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-08 11:46 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-08 12:30 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-09 14:10 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-12 7:59 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-12 10:42 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-17 10:14 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-07 10:52 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-11-07 11:01 ` David Laight
2018-11-07 12:00 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-07 11:45 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-08 2:30 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-11-07 13:41 ` Petr Mladek
2018-11-07 14:06 ` Petr Mladek
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