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From: Quentin Perret <quentin.perret@arm.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: peterz@infradead.org, rjw@rjwysocki.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, mingo@redhat.com,
	dietmar.eggemann@arm.com, morten.rasmussen@arm.com,
	chris.redpath@arm.com, patrick.bellasi@arm.com,
	valentin.schneider@arm.com, vincent.guittot@linaro.org,
	thara.gopinath@linaro.org, viresh.kumar@linaro.org,
	tkjos@google.com, joel@joelfernandes.org, smuckle@google.com,
	adharmap@codeaurora.org, skannan@codeaurora.org,
	pkondeti@codeaurora.org, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	edubezval@gmail.com, srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com,
	currojerez@riseup.net, javi.merino@kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 10/15] sched: Introduce a sysctl for Energy Aware Scheduling
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 14:49:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181211144901.hio4b6aw3esw3cgw@queper01-lin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181211141509.GA32005@gmail.com>

Hi Ingo,

On Tuesday 11 Dec 2018 at 15:15:09 (+0100), Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Quentin Perret <quentin.perret@arm.com> wrote:
> 
> > In its current state, Energy Aware Scheduling (EAS) starts automatically
> > on asymmetric platforms having an Energy Model (EM). However, there are
> > users who want to have an EM (for thermal management for example), but
> > don't want EAS with it.
> 
> Well, then introduce a new Kconfig variant for EAS, if it's super 
> important to allow this to be disabled.
> 
> Why do we want to disable it - is it not reliable in some circumstances?

There are people out there using big.little systems who do not care
about energy. Not very many of them, that is true, but they exist. And
those people can be interested in having an Energy Model for
IPA/thermal but also want to spread tasks to minimize latency for
example. So those guys will appreciate a knob, I think. Otherwise EAS
gets enabled/disabled only by side effects (by enabling/disabling
schedutil for example).

> > In order to let users disable EAS explicitly, introduce a new sysctl
> > called 'sched_energy_aware'. It is enabled by default so that EAS can
> > start automatically on platforms where it makes sense. Flipping it to 0
> > rebuilds the scheduling domains and disables EAS.
> 
> Yeah, making this a sysctl ABI is asking for trouble - this really should 
> be a Kconfig or debug space knob, at most.

My original proposal was a sched_feat, but Peter didn't like it because,
well, it's a debug knob :-). I'm personally not against a Kconfig, I
just had the feeling scheduler-specific Kconfig weren't welcome in
general. But if you feel like EAS could be a reasonable exception to the
rule, I won't argue. Otherwise, Juri suggested to have a command line
option at some point. Would that be a better solution ?

Also, when you say we're asking for trouble, what are you referring to
exactly ? There are a couple of existing sysctl to enable/disable
scheduler features.

Thanks,
Quentin

  reply	other threads:[~2018-12-11 14:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-12-03  9:56 [PATCH v10 00/15] " Quentin Perret
2018-12-03  9:56 ` [PATCH v10 01/15] sched: Relocate arch_scale_cpu_capacity Quentin Perret
2018-12-11 15:32   ` [tip:sched/core] sched/topology: Relocate arch_scale_cpu_capacity() to the internal header tip-bot for Quentin Perret
2018-12-03  9:56 ` [PATCH v10 02/15] sched/cpufreq: Prepare schedutil for Energy Aware Scheduling Quentin Perret
2018-12-11 12:01   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-12-11 12:17     ` Quentin Perret
2018-12-11 12:22       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-12-11 12:24         ` Quentin Perret
2018-12-11 15:33   ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Quentin Perret
2018-12-03  9:56 ` [PATCH v10 03/15] PM: Introduce an Energy Model management framework Quentin Perret
2018-12-11 15:33   ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Quentin Perret
2018-12-03  9:56 ` [PATCH v10 04/15] PM / EM: Expose the Energy Model in sysfs Quentin Perret
2018-12-11 14:18   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-12-11 15:04     ` Quentin Perret
2018-12-03  9:56 ` [PATCH v10 05/15] sched/topology: Reference the Energy Model of CPUs when available Quentin Perret
2018-12-11 15:34   ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Quentin Perret
2018-12-03  9:56 ` [PATCH v10 06/15] sched/topology: Lowest CPU asymmetry sched_domain level pointer Quentin Perret
2018-12-11 15:34   ` [tip:sched/core] sched/topology: Add lowest " tip-bot for Quentin Perret
2018-12-03  9:56 ` [PATCH v10 07/15] sched/topology: Disable EAS on inappropriate platforms Quentin Perret
2018-12-11 15:35   ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Quentin Perret
2018-12-03  9:56 ` [PATCH v10 08/15] sched/topology: Make Energy Aware Scheduling depend on schedutil Quentin Perret
2018-12-11 15:36   ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Quentin Perret
2018-12-03  9:56 ` [PATCH v10 09/15] sched: Introduce sched_energy_present static key Quentin Perret
2018-12-11 15:36   ` [tip:sched/core] sched/toplogy: Introduce the 'sched_energy_present' " tip-bot for Quentin Perret
2018-12-13 13:56     ` Quentin Perret
2018-12-03  9:56 ` [PATCH v10 10/15] sched: Introduce a sysctl for Energy Aware Scheduling Quentin Perret
2018-12-11 14:15   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-12-11 14:49     ` Quentin Perret [this message]
2018-12-13 14:03       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-21 11:35   ` [tip:sched/core] sched/topology: " tip-bot for Quentin Perret
2019-01-21 13:51   ` tip-bot for Quentin Perret
2019-01-27 11:34   ` tip-bot for Quentin Perret
2018-12-03  9:56 ` [PATCH v10 11/15] sched/fair: Clean-up update_sg_lb_stats parameters Quentin Perret
2018-12-11 15:37   ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Quentin Perret
2018-12-03  9:56 ` [PATCH v10 12/15] sched: Add over-utilization/tipping point indicator Quentin Perret
2018-12-11 15:37   ` [tip:sched/core] sched/fair: " tip-bot for Morten Rasmussen
2018-12-03  9:56 ` [PATCH v10 13/15] sched/fair: Introduce an energy estimation helper function Quentin Perret
2018-12-11 15:38   ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Quentin Perret
2018-12-03  9:56 ` [PATCH v10 14/15] sched/fair: Select an energy-efficient CPU on task wake-up Quentin Perret
2018-12-11 15:39   ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Quentin Perret
2018-12-03  9:56 ` [PATCH v10 15/15] OPTIONAL: cpufreq: dt: Register an Energy Model Quentin Perret
2019-01-08 20:38   ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2019-01-09 10:57     ` Quentin Perret
2019-01-09 18:14       ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2019-01-10  9:08         ` Quentin Perret

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