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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>
Cc: Anatol Pomozov <anatol.pomozov@gmail.com>,
	Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
	paulmck@linux.ibm.com, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: seqcount usage in xt_replace_table()
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 21:20:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190110202028.GJ2861@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190110144812.mkbokbj2iyryj6lv@breakpoint.cc>

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 03:48:12PM +0100, Florian Westphal wrote:
> Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > 	/*
> > 	 * Ensure contents of newinfo are visible before assigning to
> > 	 * private.
> > 	 */
> > 	smp_wmb();
> > 	table->private = newinfo;
> > 
> > we have:
> > 
> > 	smp_store_release(&table->private, newinfo);
> > 
> > But what store does that second smp_wmb() order against? The comment:
> > 
> > 	/* make sure all cpus see new ->private value */
> > 	smp_wmb();
> > 
> > makes no sense what so ever, no smp_*() barrier can provide such
> > guarantees.
> 
> IIRC I added this at the request of a reviewer of an earlier iteration
> of that patch.
> 
> IIRC the concern was that compiler/hw could re-order
> 
> smb_wmb();
> table->private = newinfo;
> /* wait until all cpus are done with old table */
> 
>  into:
> 
> smb_wmb();
> /* wait until all cpus are done with old table */
> ...
> table->private = newinfo;
> 
> and that (obviously) makes the wait-loop useless.

The thing is, the 'wait for all cpus' thing is pure loads, not stores,
so smp_wmb() is a complete NOP there.

If you want to ensure those loads happen after that store (which does
indeed seem like a sensible thing), you're going to have to use
smp_mb().

  reply	other threads:[~2019-01-10 20:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-08 19:33 seqcount usage in xt_replace_table() Anatol Pomozov
2019-01-08 22:37 ` Florian Westphal
2019-01-10 12:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-10 12:53     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-01-10 20:18       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-10 14:48     ` Florian Westphal
2019-01-10 20:20       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2019-01-10 20:25       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-10 22:29         ` Florian Westphal
2019-01-11  8:34           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-11 14:08             ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-01-10 14:52     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-01-09  0:02 ` Andrea Parri
2019-01-09  0:36   ` Anatol Pomozov
2019-01-09  5:35     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-01-09 11:24     ` Andrea Parri
2019-01-09 11:55       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-01-09 12:11         ` Andrea Parri
2019-01-09 12:29           ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-01-09 17:10             ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-01-10  8:49               ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-01-10 12:30                 ` Andrea Parri
2019-01-10 12:38                   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-01-10 12:46                     ` Andrea Parri
2019-01-10 13:25                       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-01-10 14:50                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-01-10 12:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-10 12:54   ` Dmitry Vyukov

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