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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>, Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Dominique Martinet <asmadeus@codewreck.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Kevin Easton <kevin@guarana.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Cyril Hrubis <chrubis@suse.cz>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	"Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Daniel Gruss <daniel@gruss.cc>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] mm/filemap: initiate readahead even if IOCB_NOWAIT is set for the I/O
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2019 16:13:55 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190201051355.GV6173@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wjkiNPWb97JXV6=J6DzscB1g7moGJ6G_nSe=AEbMugTNw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 09:54:16AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 2:23 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > OK, I guess my question was not precise. What does prevent taking fs
> > locks down the path?
> 
> IOCB_NOWAIT has never meant that, and will never mean it.

I think you're wrong, Linus. IOCB_NOWAIT was specifically designed
to prevent blocking on filesystem locks during AIO submission. The
initial commits spell that out pretty clearly:

commit b745fafaf70c0a98a2e1e7ac8cb14542889ceb0e
Author: Goldwyn Rodrigues <rgoldwyn@suse.com>
Date:   Tue Jun 20 07:05:43 2017 -0500

    fs: Introduce RWF_NOWAIT and FMODE_AIO_NOWAIT
    
    RWF_NOWAIT informs kernel to bail out if an AIO request will block
    for reasons such as file allocations, or a writeback triggered,
    or would block while allocating requests while performing
    direct I/O.
    
    RWF_NOWAIT is translated to IOCB_NOWAIT for iocb->ki_flags.
    
    FMODE_AIO_NOWAIT is a flag which identifies the file opened is capable
    of returning -EAGAIN if the AIO call will block. This must be set by
    supporting filesystems in the ->open() call.
    
    Filesystems xfs, btrfs and ext4 would be supported in the following patches.
    
    Reviewed-by: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
    Reviewed-by: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
    Signed-off-by: Goldwyn Rodrigues <rgoldwyn@suse.com>
    Signed-off-by: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>

commit 29a5d29ec181ebdc98a26cedbd76ce9870248892
Author: Goldwyn Rodrigues <rgoldwyn@suse.com>
Date:   Tue Jun 20 07:05:48 2017 -0500

    xfs: nowait aio support
    
    If IOCB_NOWAIT is set, bail if the i_rwsem is not lockable
    immediately.
    
    IF IOMAP_NOWAIT is set, return EAGAIN in xfs_file_iomap_begin
    if it needs allocation either due to file extension, writing to a hole,
    or COW or waiting for other DIOs to finish.
    
    Return -EAGAIN if we don't have extent list in memory.
    
    Signed-off-by: Goldwyn Rodrigues <rgoldwyn@suse.com>
    Reviewed-by: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
    Reviewed-by: Darrick J. Wong <darrick.wong@oracle.com>
    Signed-off-by: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>

commit 728fbc0e10b7f3ce2ee043b32e3453fd5201c055
Author: Goldwyn Rodrigues <rgoldwyn@suse.com>
Date:   Tue Jun 20 07:05:47 2017 -0500

    ext4: nowait aio support
    
    Return EAGAIN if any of the following checks fail for direct I/O:
      + i_rwsem is lockable
      + Writing beyond end of file (will trigger allocation)
      + Blocks are not allocated at the write location
    
    Signed-off-by: Goldwyn Rodrigues <rgoldwyn@suse.com>
    Reviewed-by: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
    Signed-off-by: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>

> We will never give user space those kinds of guarantees. We do locking
> for various reasons.  For example, we'll do the mm lock just when
> fetching/storing data from/to user space if there's a page fault.

You are conflating "best effort non-blocking operation" with
"atomic guarantee".  RWF_NOWAIT/IOCB_NOWAIT is the
former, not the latter.

i.e. RWF_NOWAIT addresses the "every second IO submission blocks"
problems that AIO submission suffered from due to filesystem lock
contention, not the rare and unusual things like  "page fault during
get_user_pages in direct IO submission".  Maybe one day, but right
now those rare cases are not pain points for applications that
require nonblock AIO submission via RWF_NOWAIT.

> Or -
> more obviously - we'll also check for - and sleep on - mandatory locks
> in rw_verify_area().

Well, only if you don't use fcntl(O_NONBLOCK) on the file to tell
mandatory locking to fail with -EAGAIN instead of sleeping.

-Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

  reply	other threads:[~2019-02-01  5:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-05 17:27 [PATCH] mm/mincore: allow for making sys_mincore() privileged Jiri Kosina
2019-01-05 19:14 ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-01-05 19:24   ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-05 19:38     ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-01-08  9:14       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2019-01-08 11:37         ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-08 13:53           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2019-01-08 14:08             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-01-05 19:44 ` kbuild test robot
2019-01-05 19:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-05 20:12   ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-05 20:17     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-05 20:43       ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-05 21:54         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-06 11:33           ` Kevin Easton
2019-01-08  8:50           ` Kevin Easton
2019-01-18 14:23           ` Tejun Heo
2019-01-05 20:13   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-05 19:56 ` kbuild test robot
2019-01-05 22:54 ` Jann Horn
2019-01-05 23:05   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-05 23:16     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-05 23:28       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-05 23:39       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-06  0:11         ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-01-06  0:22           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-06  1:50             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-06 21:46               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-08  4:43                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-08 17:57                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-09  2:24                     ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-09  2:31                       ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-09  4:39                         ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-09 10:08                           ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-10  1:15                             ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-10  7:54                               ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-09 18:25                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-10  0:44                             ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-10  1:18                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-10  5:26                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-01-10 14:47                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-01-10 21:44                                     ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-10 21:59                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11  1:47                                   ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-10  7:03                                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-10 11:47                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-10 12:24                                     ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-10 22:11                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11  2:03                                         ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-11  2:18                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11  4:04                                             ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-11  4:08                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-01-11  7:20                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-11  7:08                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11  7:36                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-11 16:26                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-15 23:45                                                     ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-16  4:54                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-16  5:49                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-17  1:26                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2019-02-20 15:49                                                     ` Nicolai Stange
2019-01-11  4:57                                         ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-11  7:11                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11  7:32                                             ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-16  0:42                                         ` Josh Snyder
2019-01-16  5:00                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-16  5:25                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-01-16  5:34                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-16  5:46                                                 ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-16  5:58                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-16  6:34                                                     ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-16  7:52                                                       ` Josh Snyder
2019-01-16 12:18                                                         ` Kevin Easton
2019-01-17 21:45                                                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-01-18  4:49                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-18 18:58                                                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-01-16 16:12                                                     ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-16 17:48                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-16 20:23                                                         ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-16 21:37                                                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-01-16 21:41                                                             ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-17  9:52                                                               ` Cyril Hrubis
2019-01-28 13:49                                                               ` Cyril Hrubis
2019-01-17  4:51                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-18  4:54                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-17  1:49                                                           ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-23 20:27                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-23 20:35                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-23 23:12                                                               ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-24  0:20                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-24  0:24                                                             ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-24 12:45                                                               ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-24 14:25                                                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-27 22:35                                                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-28  0:05                                                                     ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-29 23:52                                                                       ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-30  9:09                                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-30 12:29                                                                           ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-16 12:36                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-01-10 14:50                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-01-11  7:36                               ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-17  2:22                                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-17  8:18                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-17 21:06                                     ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-07  4:32             ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-07 10:33               ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-01-07 11:08                 ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-07 11:59                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-01-07 13:29                   ` Daniel Gruss
2019-01-07 10:10         ` Michael Ellerman
2019-01-05 23:09   ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-30 12:44 ` [PATCH 0/3] mincore() and IOCB_NOWAIT adjustments Vlastimil Babka
2019-01-30 12:44   ` [PATCH 1/3] mm/mincore: make mincore() more conservative Vlastimil Babka
2019-01-31  9:43     ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-31  9:51       ` Dominique Martinet
2019-01-31 17:46       ` Josh Snyder
2019-02-01  8:56     ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-03-06 23:13     ` Andrew Morton
2019-03-07  0:01       ` Jiri Kosina
2019-03-07  0:40         ` Dominique Martinet
2019-03-07  5:46           ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-30 12:44   ` [PATCH 2/3] mm/filemap: initiate readahead even if IOCB_NOWAIT is set for the I/O Vlastimil Babka
2019-01-30 15:04     ` Florian Weimer
2019-01-30 15:15       ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-31 10:47         ` Florian Weimer
2019-01-31 11:34           ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-31  9:56     ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-31 10:15       ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-31 10:23         ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-31 10:30           ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-31 11:32             ` Michal Hocko
2019-01-31 17:54           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-02-01  5:13             ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2019-02-01  7:05               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-02-01  7:21                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-02-01  1:44       ` Dave Chinner
2019-02-12 15:48         ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-31 12:04     ` Daniel Gruss
2019-01-31 12:06       ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-01-31 12:08       ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-31 12:57         ` Daniel Gruss
2019-01-30 12:44   ` [PATCH 3/3] mm/mincore: provide mapped status when cached status is not allowed Vlastimil Babka
2019-01-31 10:09     ` Michal Hocko
2019-02-01  9:04       ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-02-01  9:11         ` Michal Hocko
2019-02-01  9:27           ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-02-06 20:14             ` Jiri Kosina
2019-02-12  3:44         ` Jiri Kosina
2019-02-12  6:36           ` Michal Hocko
2019-02-12 13:09             ` Jiri Kosina
2019-02-12 14:01               ` Michal Hocko
2019-03-06 12:11   ` [PATCH 0/3] mincore() and IOCB_NOWAIT adjustments Jiri Kosina
2019-03-06 22:35     ` Andrew Morton
2019-03-06 22:48       ` Jiri Kosina
2019-03-06 23:23         ` Andrew Morton
2019-03-06 23:32           ` Dominique Martinet
2019-03-06 23:38             ` Andrew Morton
2019-03-09 16:53               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-12 14:17   ` [PATCH v2 0/2] prevent mincore() page cache leaks Vlastimil Babka
2019-03-12 14:17     ` [PATCH v2 1/2] mm/mincore: make mincore() more conservative Vlastimil Babka
2019-03-12 14:17     ` [PATCH v2 2/2] mm/mincore: provide mapped status when cached status is not allowed Vlastimil Babka

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