From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> To: Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com> Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, "Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>, Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>, Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>, Quentin Perret <quentin.perret@arm.com>, Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>, Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>, Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>, Todd Kjos <tkjos@google.com>, Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com>, Steve Muckle <smuckle@google.com>, Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com> Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 01/15] sched/core: uclamp: Add CPU's clamp buckets refcounting Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 20:39:16 +0100 [thread overview] Message-ID: <20190313193916.GQ2482@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20190313155954.jse2tyn5iqxm6wle@e110439-lin> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 03:59:54PM +0000, Patrick Bellasi wrote: > On 13-Mar 14:52, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > Because of backetization, we potentially end up tracking tasks with > different requested clamp values in the same bucket. > > For example, with 20% bucket size, we can have: > Task1: util_min=25% > Task2: util_min=35% > accounted in the same bucket. > > Given all that, what is to stop the bucket value to climbing to > > uclamp_bucket_value(+1)-1 and staying there (provided there's someone > > runnable)? > > Nothing... but that's an expected consequence of bucketization. No, it is not. > > Why are we doing this... ? > > You can either decide to: > > a) always boost tasks to just the bucket nominal value > thus always penalizing both Task1 and Task2 of the example above This is the expected behaviour. When was the last time your histogram did something like b? > b) always boost tasks to the bucket "max" value > thus always overboosting both Task1 and Task2 of the example above > > The solution above instead has a very good property: in systems > where you have only few and well defined clamp values we always > provide the exact boost. > > For example, if your system requires only 23% and 47% boost values > (totally random numbers), then you can always get the exact boost > required using just 3 bucksts or ~33% size each. > > In systems where you don't know which boost values you will have, you > can still defined the maximum overboost granularity you accept for > each task by just tuning the number of clamp groups. For example, with > 20 groups you can have a 5% max overboost. Maybe, but this is not a direct concequence of buckets, but an additional heuristic that might work well in this case. Maybe split this out in a separate patch? So start with the trivial bucket, and then do this change on top with the above few paragraphs as changelog?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-03-13 19:39 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2019-02-08 10:05 [PATCH v7 00/15] Add utilization clamping support Patrick Bellasi 2019-02-08 10:05 ` [PATCH v7 01/15] sched/core: uclamp: Add CPU's clamp buckets refcounting Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-12 12:52 ` Dietmar Eggemann 2019-03-13 15:15 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-13 21:01 ` Suren Baghdasaryan 2019-03-14 14:54 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-14 15:00 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-12 15:20 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-12 15:50 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-13 8:19 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-13 11:37 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-13 13:40 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-13 16:12 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-13 17:22 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-13 18:22 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-13 19:48 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-14 12:13 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-14 13:32 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-14 15:07 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-14 19:18 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-13 13:52 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-13 15:59 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-13 19:30 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-14 11:03 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-14 13:27 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-13 19:39 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message] 2019-03-14 11:18 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-13 21:23 ` Suren Baghdasaryan 2019-03-14 12:43 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-13 14:06 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-13 15:28 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-13 14:09 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-13 15:23 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-13 19:46 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-13 21:08 ` Suren Baghdasaryan 2019-03-14 12:22 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-14 11:45 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-13 21:32 ` Suren Baghdasaryan 2019-03-14 14:46 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-14 15:29 ` Suren Baghdasaryan 2019-03-14 15:40 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-14 16:39 ` Suren Baghdasaryan 2019-02-08 10:05 ` [PATCH v7 02/15] sched/core: uclamp: Enforce last task UCLAMP_MAX Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-13 14:10 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-13 16:20 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-13 17:29 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-13 18:29 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-13 14:12 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-13 16:16 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-14 0:29 ` Suren Baghdasaryan 2019-03-14 17:06 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-02-08 10:05 ` [PATCH v7 03/15] sched/core: uclamp: Add system default clamps Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-13 14:32 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-13 17:09 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-13 19:58 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-13 20:10 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-15 13:41 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-13 20:13 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-13 20:18 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-18 12:18 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-18 13:10 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-18 14:21 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-18 14:29 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-02-08 10:05 ` [PATCH v7 04/15] sched/core: Allow sched_setattr() to use the current policy Patrick Bellasi 2019-02-08 10:05 ` [PATCH v7 05/15] sched/core: uclamp: Extend sched_setattr() to support utilization clamping Patrick Bellasi 2019-02-08 10:05 ` [PATCH v7 06/15] sched/core: uclamp: Reset uclamp values on RESET_ON_FORK Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-13 20:52 ` Peter Zijlstra 2019-03-18 12:58 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-02-08 10:05 ` [PATCH v7 07/15] sched/core: uclamp: Set default clamps for RT tasks Patrick Bellasi 2019-02-08 10:05 ` [PATCH v7 08/15] sched/cpufreq: uclamp: Add clamps for FAIR and " Patrick Bellasi 2019-02-08 10:05 ` [PATCH v7 09/15] sched/core: uclamp: Add uclamp_util_with() Patrick Bellasi 2019-02-08 10:05 ` [PATCH v7 10/15] sched/fair: uclamp: Add uclamp support to energy_compute() Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-06 17:21 ` Quentin Perret 2019-03-18 15:19 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-02-08 10:05 ` [PATCH v7 11/15] sched/core: uclamp: Extend CPU's cgroup controller Patrick Bellasi 2019-02-14 15:48 ` Tejun Heo 2019-03-19 10:00 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-02-08 10:05 ` [PATCH v7 12/15] sched/core: uclamp: Propagate parent clamps Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-14 16:17 ` Suren Baghdasaryan 2019-03-18 16:54 ` Patrick Bellasi 2019-03-18 16:58 ` Suren Baghdasaryan 2019-02-08 10:05 ` [PATCH v7 13/15] sched/core: uclamp: Propagate system defaults to root group Patrick Bellasi 2019-02-08 10:05 ` [PATCH v7 14/15] sched/core: uclamp: Use TG's clamps to restrict TASK's clamps Patrick Bellasi 2019-02-08 10:05 ` [PATCH v7 15/15] sched/core: uclamp: Update CPU's refcount on TG's clamp changes Patrick Bellasi
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