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From: Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>
To: "Xing, Cedric" <cedric.xing@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v19,RESEND 24/27] x86/vdso: Add __vdso_sgx_enter_enclave() to wrap SGX enclave transitions
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 14:59:03 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190322215903.GE12666@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <960B34DE67B9E140824F1DCDEC400C0F4E85C5AB@ORSMSX116.amr.corp.intel.com>

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 01:38:04PM -0700, Xing, Cedric wrote:
> > > By requiring preservation of RSP at both AEX and EEXIT, this precludes
> > > the possibility of using the untrusted stack as temporary storage by
> > > enclaves. While that looks reasonable at first glance, I'm afraid it
> > > isn't the case in reality. The untrusted stack is inarguably the most
> > > convenient way for data exchange between an enclave and its enclosing
> > > process,
> > 
> > I vehemently disagree with "inarguably".  IMO, passing data via
> > registers is much more convenient.
> 
> Which is the most convenient approach is always dependent on data size and/or even how the data is produced/consumed. It's kind of a spectrum and we're just talking in the sense of probability. You are right that "inarguably" is arguable if the buffer is small enough to fit in registers, and the producer/consumer also has access to registers.
> 
> > 
> > Even if you qualify your assertion with "data of arbitrary size unknown
> > at build time", I still disagree.  Using the untrusted stack allows for
> > trickery when a debugger is involved, other than that I see no
> > advantages over allocating virtual memory and handing the pointer to the
> > enclave at launch time.  Sure, it requires a few more lines of code to
> > setup, but it's literally ~20 LoC out of thousands required to sign,
> > build and launch an enclave, but it doesn't require playing games with
> > the stack.
> 
> I'm NOT ruling out your approach.
> 
> And like you said, the untrusted stack enables certain trickery that helps
> debugging and also simplifies enclaves (even just a little). Then why are
> you trying to rule that out? Because of 9 LOC in vDSO?

Although its just 9 LOC, consider its impact on someone who is looking at
the kernel's SGX support for the first time.  Questions they may have when
looking at the vDSO code/documentation:

  - What's an exit handler?
  - Why is an exit handler optional?  Don't I always want to handle exits?
  - What value should my exit handler return?
  - What should my exit handler do if it detects an error?
  - Why would I want to preserve %rbp and not %rsp?
  - Isn't it insecure to use the untrusted stack in my enclave?

AFAIK, the only reason to preserve %rbp instead of %rsp, i.e. support an
"exit handler" callback, is to be able to implement an o-call scheme using
the untrusted stack to pass data.  Every idea I came up with for using the
callback, e.g. logging, handling stack corruptiong, testing hooks, etc...
was at worst no more difficult to implement when using a barebones vDSO.

So, given the choice between a) documenting and maintaining all the baggage
that comes with the exit handler and b) saying "go use signals", I chose
option b.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-03-22 21:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-20 16:20 [PATCH v19,RESEND 00/27] Intel SGX1 support Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:20 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 01/27] x86/cpufeatures: Add Intel-defined SGX feature bit Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 19:41   ` Neil Horman
2019-03-21 14:16     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:20 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 02/27] x86/cpufeatures: Add SGX sub-features (as Linux-defined bits) Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:20 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 03/27] x86/msr: Add IA32_FEATURE_CONTROL.SGX_ENABLE definition Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:20 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 04/27] x86/cpufeatures: Add Intel-defined SGX_LC feature bit Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:20 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 05/27] x86/msr: Add SGX Launch Control MSR definitions Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:20 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 06/27] x86/mm: x86/sgx: Add new 'PF_SGX' page fault error code bit Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:20 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 07/27] x86/mm: x86/sgx: Signal SIGSEGV for userspace #PFs w/ PF_SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 08/27] x86/cpu/intel: Detect SGX support and update caps appropriately Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-26 12:17   ` Huang, Kai
2019-03-26 14:27     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-03-26 21:25       ` Huang, Kai
2019-03-26 21:57         ` Sean Christopherson
2019-03-26 23:19           ` Huang, Kai
2019-03-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 09/27] x86/sgx: Add ENCLS architectural error codes Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 10/27] x86/sgx: Add SGX1 and SGX2 architectural data structures Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 11/27] x86/sgx: Add definitions for SGX's CPUID leaf and variable sub-leafs Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 12/27] x86/sgx: Enumerate and track EPC sections Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 13/27] x86/sgx: Add wrappers for ENCLS leaf functions Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 14/27] x86/sgx: Add functions to allocate and free EPC pages Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 15/27] x86/sgx: Add sgx_einit() for initializing enclaves Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 16/27] x86/sgx: Add the Linux SGX Enclave Driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-26 12:01   ` Huang, Kai
2019-03-26 12:40     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-26 14:54       ` Sean Christopherson
2019-03-26 21:11         ` Huang, Kai
2019-03-27  5:02     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 17/27] x86/sgx: Add provisioning Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 18/27] x86/sgx: Add swapping code to the core and SGX driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 19/27] x86/sgx: ptrace() support for the " Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 20/27] x86/vdso: Add support for exception fixup in vDSO functions Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 21/27] x86/fault: Add helper function to sanitize error code Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 22/27] x86/fault: Attempt to fixup unhandled #PF in vDSO before signaling Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 23/27] x86/traps: Attempt to fixup exceptions " Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 24/27] x86/vdso: Add __vdso_sgx_enter_enclave() to wrap SGX enclave transitions Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 18:30   ` Xing, Cedric
2019-03-20 18:52     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-03-20 19:57       ` Xing, Cedric
2019-03-20 21:03         ` Sean Christopherson
2019-03-21  0:17           ` Xing, Cedric
2019-03-22 21:20             ` Sean Christopherson
2019-03-21 17:17         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-03-22 20:31           ` Xing, Cedric
2019-03-20 19:02     ` Jethro Beekman
2019-03-20 20:10       ` Xing, Cedric
2019-03-20 19:13     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-03-20 20:38       ` Xing, Cedric
2019-03-22 21:59         ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2019-03-23 17:36           ` Xing, Cedric
2019-03-23 21:38             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-03-24  8:59               ` Xing, Cedric
2019-03-25 18:03                 ` Sean Christopherson
2019-03-25 23:59                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-03-26  4:53                     ` Xing, Cedric
2019-03-26 17:08                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-03-28  4:23                         ` Xing, Cedric
2019-03-28 19:18                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-03-28 23:19                             ` Xing, Cedric
2019-03-29  9:48                               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-31  8:43                                 ` Dr. Greg
2019-04-03 23:03                             ` Sean Christopherson
2019-03-25 23:54                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-03-26  4:16                   ` Xing, Cedric
2019-03-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 25/27] x86/sgx: SGX documentation Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 26/27] selftests/x86: Add a selftest for SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-03-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v19,RESEND 27/27] x86/sgx: Update MAINTAINERS Jarkko Sakkinen

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