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From: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
To: Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>
Cc: f.fainelli@gmail.com, vivien.didelot@gmail.com,
	davem@davemloft.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, georg.waibel@sensor-technik.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 net-next 20/24] net: dsa: sja1105: Error out if RGMII delays are requested in DT
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2019 18:49:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190413164957.GJ17901@lunn.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190413012822.30931-21-olteanv@gmail.com>

On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 04:28:18AM +0300, Vladimir Oltean wrote:
> Documentation/devicetree/bindings/net/ethernet.txt is confusing because
> it says what the MAC should not do, but not what it *should* do:
> 
>   * "rgmii-rxid" (RGMII with internal RX delay provided by the PHY, the MAC
>      should not add an RX delay in this case)
> 
> The gap in semantics is threefold:
> 1. Is it illegal for the MAC to apply the Rx internal delay by itself,
>    and simplify the phy_mode (mask off "rgmii-rxid" into "rgmii") before
>    passing it to of_phy_connect? The documentation would suggest yes.
> 1. For "rgmii-rxid", while the situation with the Rx clock skew is more
>    or less clear (needs to be added by the PHY), what should the MAC
>    driver do about the Tx delays? Is it an implicit wild card for the
>    MAC to apply delays in the Tx direction if it can? What if those were
>    already added as serpentine PCB traces, how could that be made more
>    obvious through DT bindings so that the MAC doesn't attempt to add
>    them twice and again potentially break the link?
> 3. If the interface is a fixed-link and therefore the PHY object is
>    fixed (a purely software entity that obviously cannot add clock
>    skew), what is the meaning of the above property?
> 
> So an interpretation of the RGMII bindings was chosen that hopefully
> does not contradict their intention but also makes them more applied.
> The SJA1105 driver understands to act upon "rgmii-*id" phy-mode bindings
> if the port is in the PHY role (either explicitly, or if it is a
> fixed-link). Otherwise it always passes the duty of setting up delays to
> the PHY driver.

That is a good interpretation. I always recommend the PHY does the
delay, because in general the PHY can, and often the MAC cannot.

> 
> Signed-off-by: Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>
> Reviewed-by: Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>

Reviewed-by: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>

    Andrew

  reply	other threads:[~2019-04-13 16:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-13  1:27 [PATCH v3 net-next 00/24] NXP SJA1105 DSA driver Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13  1:27 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 01/24] lib: Add support for generic packing operations Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 02/24] net: dsa: Fix pharse -> phase typo Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 03/24] net: dsa: Store vlan_filtering as a property of dsa_port Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 04/24] net: dsa: mt7530: Use vlan_filtering property from dsa_port Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 05/24] net: dsa: Add more convenient functions for installing port VLANs Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-16 23:49   ` Florian Fainelli
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 06/24] net: dsa: Call driver's setup callback after setting up its switchdev notifier Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13 15:05   ` Andrew Lunn
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 07/24] net: dsa: Optional VLAN-based port separation for switches without tagging Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 08/24] net: dsa: Be aware of switches where VLAN filtering is a global setting Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-16 23:54   ` Florian Fainelli
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 09/24] net: dsa: b53: Let DSA handle mismatched VLAN filtering settings Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-16 23:52   ` Florian Fainelli
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 10/24] net: dsa: Unset vlan_filtering when ports leave the bridge Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13 15:11   ` Andrew Lunn
2019-04-16 23:59   ` Florian Fainelli
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 11/24] net: dsa: mt7530: Let DSA handle the unsetting of vlan_filtering Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13 15:12   ` Andrew Lunn
2019-04-16 23:59   ` Florian Fainelli
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 12/24] net: dsa: Copy the vlan_filtering setting on the CPU port if it's global Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13 15:23   ` Andrew Lunn
2019-04-13 15:37     ` Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 13/24] net: dsa: Allow drivers to filter packets they can decode source port from Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13 15:39   ` Andrew Lunn
2019-04-13 15:48     ` Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 14/24] net: dsa: Introduce driver for NXP SJA1105 5-port L2 switch Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13 15:42   ` Andrew Lunn
2019-04-13 15:46     ` Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13 16:44       ` Andrew Lunn
2019-04-13 21:29         ` Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 15/24] net: dsa: sja1105: Add support for FDB and MDB management Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13 20:58   ` Jiri Pirko
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 16/24] net: dsa: sja1105: Add support for VLAN operations Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13 20:56   ` Jiri Pirko
2019-04-13 21:39     ` Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 17/24] net: dsa: sja1105: Add support for ethtool port counters Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13 20:53   ` Jiri Pirko
2019-04-13 21:55     ` Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-14  8:34       ` Jiri Pirko
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 18/24] net: dsa: sja1105: Add support for traffic through standalone ports Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13 16:37   ` Andrew Lunn
2019-04-13 21:27     ` Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13 22:08       ` Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13 22:26         ` Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-14 16:17           ` Andrew Lunn
2019-04-14 18:53             ` Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-14 19:13               ` Andrew Lunn
2019-04-14 22:30                 ` Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-15  3:07                   ` Andrew Lunn
2019-04-17  0:09                     ` Florian Fainelli
2019-04-14 16:05       ` Andrew Lunn
2019-04-14 18:42         ` Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-14 19:06           ` Andrew Lunn
2019-04-17  0:16       ` Florian Fainelli
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 19/24] net: dsa: sja1105: Add support for Spanning Tree Protocol Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13 16:41   ` Andrew Lunn
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 20/24] net: dsa: sja1105: Error out if RGMII delays are requested in DT Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13 16:49   ` Andrew Lunn [this message]
2019-04-13 20:47   ` Jiri Pirko
2019-04-13 21:31     ` Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-14  8:35       ` Jiri Pirko
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 21/24] net: dsa: sja1105: Prevent PHY jabbering during switch reset Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13 16:54   ` Andrew Lunn
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 22/24] net: dsa: sja1105: Reject unsupported link modes for AN Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 23/24] Documentation: net: dsa: Add details about NXP SJA1105 driver Vladimir Oltean
2019-04-17  0:20   ` Florian Fainelli
2019-04-13  1:28 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 24/24] dt-bindings: net: dsa: Add documentation for " Vladimir Oltean

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