From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
nitesh@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org, david@redhat.com,
dave.hansen@intel.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com, pagupta@redhat.com, riel@surriel.com,
konrad.wilk@oracle.com, lcapitulino@redhat.com,
wei.w.wang@intel.com, aarcange@redhat.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
dan.j.williams@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 QEMU] virtio-balloon: Provide a interface for "bubble hinting"
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 18:08:28 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190724180552-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ada4e7d932ebd436d00c46e8de699212e72fd989.camel@linux.intel.com>
On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 03:03:56PM -0700, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> On Wed, 2019-07-24 at 17:38 -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 10:12:10AM -0700, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> > > From: Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@linux.intel.com>
> > >
> > > Add support for what I am referring to as "bubble hinting". Basically the
> > > idea is to function very similar to how the balloon works in that we
> > > basically end up madvising the page as not being used. However we don't
> > > really need to bother with any deflate type logic since the page will be
> > > faulted back into the guest when it is read or written to.
> > >
> > > This is meant to be a simplification of the existing balloon interface
> > > to use for providing hints to what memory needs to be freed. I am assuming
> > > this is safe to do as the deflate logic does not actually appear to do very
> > > much other than tracking what subpages have been released and which ones
> > > haven't.
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@linux.intel.com>
> >
> > BTW I wonder about migration here. When we migrate we lose all hints
> > right? Well destination could be smarter, detect that page is full of
> > 0s and just map a zero page. Then we don't need a hint as such - but I
> > don't think it's done like that ATM.
>
> I was wondering about that a bit myself. If you migrate with a balloon
> active what currently happens with the pages in the balloon? Do you
> actually migrate them, or do you ignore them and just assume a zero page?
Ignore and assume zero page.
> I'm just reusing the ram_block_discard_range logic that was being used for
> the balloon inflation so I would assume the behavior would be the same.
>
> > I also wonder about interaction with deflate. ATM deflate will add
> > pages to the free list, then balloon will come right back and report
> > them as free.
>
> I don't know how likely it is that somebody who is getting the free page
> reporting is likely to want to also use the balloon to take up memory.
Why not?
> However hinting on a page that came out of deflate might make sense when
> you consider that the balloon operates on 4K pages and the hints are on 2M
> pages. You are likely going to lose track of it all anyway as you have to
> work to merge the 4K pages up to the higher order page.
Right - we need to fix inflate/deflate anyway.
When we do, we can do whatever :)
--
MST
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-07-24 22:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-07-24 16:54 [PATCH v2 0/5] mm / virtio: Provide support for page hinting Alexander Duyck
2019-07-24 16:56 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] mm: Adjust shuffle code to allow for future coalescing Alexander Duyck
2019-07-24 16:58 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] mm: Move set/get_pcppage_migratetype to mmzone.h Alexander Duyck
2019-07-24 17:00 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] mm: Use zone and order instead of free area in free_list manipulators Alexander Duyck
2019-07-24 17:03 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] mm: Introduce Hinted pages Alexander Duyck
2019-07-25 8:53 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-07-25 11:46 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-07-25 11:54 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-07-25 15:59 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-07-25 16:48 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-07-25 17:38 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-07-25 18:32 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-07-25 20:37 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-07-25 20:44 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-07-26 12:24 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-07-26 16:38 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-07-24 17:05 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] virtio-balloon: Add support for providing page hints to host Alexander Duyck
2019-07-24 19:02 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-24 19:07 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-07-24 19:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-24 20:37 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-07-24 20:43 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25 14:44 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-07-25 14:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25 14:56 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-07-25 14:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25 17:42 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-07-25 19:54 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-07-24 17:12 ` [PATCH v2 QEMU] virtio-balloon: Provide a interface for "bubble hinting" Alexander Duyck
2019-07-24 19:02 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-24 20:18 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-07-24 20:29 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-07-24 20:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-29 16:58 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-07-29 19:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-29 20:21 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-07-29 20:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-29 21:37 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-07-29 22:11 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-24 20:46 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-24 21:14 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-07-25 11:57 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-07-25 14:57 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-07-24 21:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-24 22:03 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-07-24 22:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2019-07-24 22:27 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-07-25 6:07 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25 11:35 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-07-25 15:05 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-07-25 15:16 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25 16:16 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-07-25 17:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25 18:25 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-07-25 20:00 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-07-25 20:14 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-07-24 18:40 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] mm / virtio: Provide support for page hinting Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-07-24 18:41 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-07-24 19:31 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-24 19:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-07-24 19:54 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-07-24 21:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-24 19:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-24 20:27 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-07-24 20:38 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-07-24 21:00 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-07-25 12:08 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-07-24 20:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
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