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From: Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>
To: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	linux-nvme <linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org>,
	Mario Limonciello <Mario.Limonciello@dell.com>,
	Kai-Heng Feng <kai.heng.feng@canonical.com>,
	Keith Busch <keith.busch@intel.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>,
	Linux PM <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rajat Jain <rajatja@google.com>,
	Linux PCI <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] nvme-pci: Allow PCI bus-level PM to be used if ASPM is disabled
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 14:01:28 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190808200128.GC27077@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190808183954.GG151852@google.com>

On Thu, Aug 08, 2019 at 01:39:54PM -0500, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 08, 2019 at 04:47:45PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 3:43 PM Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > IIUC the NVMe device will go to the desired package idle state if
> > > the link is in L0s or L1, but not if the link is in L0.  I don't
> > > understand that connection; AFAIK that would be something outside
> > > the scope of the PCIe spec.
> > 
> > Yes, it is outside of the PCIe spec.
> > 
> > No, this is not about the NVMe device, it is about the Intel SoC
> > (System-on-a-Chip) the platform is based on.
> 
> Ah.  So this problem could occur with any device, not just NVMe?  If
> so, how do you address that?  Obviously you don't want to patch all
> drivers this way.

We discovered this when using an NVMe protocol specific power setting, so
that part is driver specific. We just have to ensure device generic
dependencies are met in order to achieve the our power target. So in
that sense, I think you would need to patch all drivers if they're also
using protocol specific settings incorrectly.

Granted, the NVMe specification doesn't detail what PCIe settings may
prevent NVMe power management from hitting the objective, but I think
ASPM enabled makes sense.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-08 20:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-25  9:51 [Regression] Commit "nvme/pci: Use host managed power state for suspend" has problems Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-25 14:02 ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-07-25 16:23   ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-07-25 17:03     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-25 17:23       ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-07-25 18:20       ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-07-25 19:09         ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-07-30 10:45       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-30 14:41         ` Keith Busch
2019-07-30 17:14           ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-07-30 18:50             ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-07-30 19:19               ` Keith Busch
2019-07-30 21:05                 ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-07-30 21:31                   ` Keith Busch
2019-07-31 21:25                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-31 22:19                       ` Keith Busch
2019-07-31 22:33                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-01  9:05                           ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-08-01 17:29                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-01 19:05                               ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-08-01 22:26                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-02 10:55                                   ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-08-02 11:04                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-05 19:13                                       ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-08-05 21:28                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-06 14:02                                           ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-08-06 15:00                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-07 10:29                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-01 20:22                             ` Keith Busch
2019-08-07  9:48                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-07 10:45                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-07 10:54                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-07  9:53                         ` [PATCH] nvme-pci: Do not prevent PCI bus-level PM from being used Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-07 10:14                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-07 10:43                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-07 14:37                           ` Keith Busch
2019-08-08  8:36                         ` [PATCH] nvme-pci: Allow PCI bus-level PM to be used if ASPM is disabled Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08  8:48                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-08  9:06                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 10:03                         ` [PATCH v2 0/2] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 10:06                           ` [PATCH v2 1/2] PCI: PCIe: ASPM: Introduce pcie_aspm_enabled_mask() Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 13:15                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-08-08 14:48                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 10:10                           ` [PATCH v2 2/2] nvme-pci: Allow PCI bus-level PM to be used if ASPM is disabled Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 13:43                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-08-08 14:47                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 17:06                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 18:39                                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-08-08 20:01                                   ` Keith Busch [this message]
2019-08-08 20:05                                   ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-08-08 20:41                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-09  4:47                                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-08-09  8:04                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 21:51                         ` [PATCH v3 0/2] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 21:55                           ` [PATCH v3 1/2] PCI: PCIe: ASPM: Introduce pcie_aspm_enabled() Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-09  4:50                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-08-09  8:00                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-10-07 22:34                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-10-08  9:27                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-10-08 21:16                                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-10-08 22:54                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-10-09 12:49                                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-08-08 21:58                           ` [PATCH v3 2/2] nvme-pci: Allow PCI bus-level PM to be used if ASPM is disabled Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-08 22:13                           ` [PATCH v3 0/2] " Keith Busch
2019-08-09  8:05                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-08-09 14:52                               ` Keith Busch
2019-07-25 16:59   ` [Regression] Commit "nvme/pci: Use host managed power state for suspend" has problems Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-25 14:52 ` Keith Busch
2019-07-25 19:48   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-25 19:52     ` Keith Busch
2019-07-25 20:02       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-26 14:02         ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-07-27 12:55           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-29 15:51             ` Mario.Limonciello
2019-07-29 22:05               ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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