From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4AA9C433FF for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 10:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A28072085A for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 10:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728000AbfHLKh5 (ORCPT ); Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:37:57 -0400 Received: from viti.kaiser.cx ([85.214.81.225]:37820 "EHLO viti.kaiser.cx" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727829AbfHLKh5 (ORCPT ); Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:37:57 -0400 Received: from martin by viti.kaiser.cx with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hx7i3-0000Gn-7t; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 12:37:51 +0200 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 12:37:51 +0200 From: Martin Kaiser To: Jonathan Cameron Cc: Hartmut Knaack , Peter Meerwald-Stadler , Lars-Peter Clausen , linux-iio@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: iio: Is storing output values to non volatile registers something we should do automatically or leave to userspace action. [was Re: [PATCH] iio: potentiometer: max5432: update the non-volatile position] Message-ID: <20190812103751.gumfzgazlytq5zqm@viti.kaiser.cx> References: <20190809160617.21035-1-martin@kaiser.cx> <20190811101137.5bd495e9@archlinux> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190811101137.5bd495e9@archlinux> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi Jonathan, Thus wrote Jonathan Cameron (jic23@kernel.org): > The patch is fine, but I'm wondering about whether we need some element > of policy control on this restore to current value. > A few things to take into account. > * Some devices don't have a non volatile store. So userspace will be > responsible for doing the restore on reboot. > * This may be one of several related devices, and it may make no sense > to restore this one if the others aren't going to be in the same > state as before the reboot. > * Some devices only have non volatile registers for this sort of value > (or save to non volatile on removal of power). Hence any policy to > not store the value can't apply to this class of device. I see your point. You'd like a consistent bahaviour across all potentiometer drivers. Or at least a way for user space to figure out whether a chip uses non-volatile storage or not. This property doesn't quite fit into the channel info that are defined in the arrays in drivers/iio/industrialio-core.c. Is there any other way to set such a property? > My initial thought is that these probably don't matter that much and > we should apply this, but I would like to seek input from others! > I thought there were some other drivers doing similar store to no > volatile but I can't find one. drivers/iio/potentiometer/max5481.c and max5487.c do something similar. They use a command to transfer the setting from volatile to non-volatile register in the spi remove function. I guess that the intention is to save the current setting when the system is rebooted. However, my understanding is that the remove function is called only when a module is unloaded or when user space does explicitly unbind the device from the bus via sysfs. That's why I tried using the shutdown function instead. Still, this approach has some disadvantages. For many systems, there's a soft reboot (shutdown -r) where the driver's shutdown function is called and a "hard reboot" where the power from the CPU and the potentiometer chip is removed and reapplied. In this case, the current value would not be transfered to the non-volatile register. At least for the max5432 family, there's no way to read the current setting. The only option for user space to have a well-defined setting is to set the wiper position explicitly at startup. I guess the only sensible way to use a non-volatile register would be a write operation where user space gets a response about successful completion. We could have two channels to write to the volatile or to non-volatile register. Or we stick to one channel and update both volatile and non-volatile registers when user space changes the value. This assumes that the setting does not change frequently, which is prabably not true for all applications... Whatever we come up with, we should at least make the max* chips behave the same way. Best regards, Martin