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From: "allan.nielsen@microchip.com" <allan.nielsen@microchip.com>
To: Igor Russkikh <Igor.Russkikh@aquantia.com>
Cc: Sabrina Dubroca <sd@queasysnail.net>,
	Antoine Tenart <antoine.tenart@bootlin.com>,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	"davem@davemloft.net" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"f.fainelli@gmail.com" <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	"hkallweit1@gmail.com" <hkallweit1@gmail.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com" <thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com>,
	"alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com" <alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com>,
	"camelia.groza@nxp.com" <camelia.groza@nxp.com>,
	Simon Edelhaus <Simon.Edelhaus@aquantia.com>,
	Pavel Belous <Pavel.Belous@aquantia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 6/9] net: macsec: hardware offloading infrastructure
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:27:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190821092726.do4nmtimizqmagkh@lx-anielsen.microsemi.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <81ec0497-58cd-1f4c-faa3-c057693cd50e@aquantia.com>

The 08/21/2019 09:20, Igor Russkikh wrote:
> > Talking about packet numbers, can you describe how PN exhaustion is
> > handled?  I couldn't find much about packet numbers at all in the
> > driver patches (I hope the hw doesn't wrap around from 2^32-1 to 0 on
> > the same SA).  At some point userspace needs to know that we're
> > getting close to 2^32 and that it's time to re-key.  Since the whole
> > TX path of the software implementation is bypassed, it looks like the
> > PN (as far as drivers/net/macsec.c is concerned) never increases, so
> > userspace can't know when to negotiate a new SA.
> 
> I think there should be driver specific implementation of this functionality.
> As an example, our macsec HW issues an interrupt towards the host to indicate
> PN threshold has reached and it's time for userspace to change the keys.
> 
> In contrast, current SW macsec implementation just stops this SA/secy.
> 
> > I don't see how this implementation handles non-macsec traffic (on TX,
> > that would be packets sent directly through the real interface, for
> > example by wpa_supplicant - on RX, incoming MKA traffic for
> > wpa_supplicant). Unless I missed something, incoming MKA traffic will
> > end up on the macsec interface as well as the lower interface (not
> > entirely critical, as long as wpa_supplicant can grab it on the lower
> > device, but not consistent with the software implementation). How does
> > the driver distinguish traffic that should pass through unmodified
> > from traffic that the HW needs to encapsulate and encrypt?
> 
> I can comment on our HW engine - where it has special bypass rules
> for configured ethertypes. This way macsec engine skips encryption on TX and
> passes in RX unencrypted for the selected control packets.
In our case it is a TCAM which can look at various fields (including ethertype),
but is sounds like we have a vary similar design.

> But thats true, realdev driver is hard to distinguish encrypted/unencrypted
> packets. In case realdev should make a decision where to put RX packet,
> it only may do some heuristic (since after macsec decription all the
> macsec related info is dropped. Thats true at least for our HW implementation).
Same for ours.

> > If you look at IPsec offloading, the networking stack builds up the
> > ESP header, and passes the unencrypted data down to the driver. I'm
> > wondering if the same would be possible with MACsec offloading: the
> > macsec virtual interface adds the header (and maybe a dummy ICV), and
> > then the HW does the encryption. In case of HW that needs to add the
> > sectag itself, the driver would first strip the headers that the stack
> > created. On receive, the driver would recreate a sectag and the macsec
> > interface would just skip all verification (decrypt, PN).
> 
> I don't think this way is good, as driver have to do per packet header mangling.
> That'll harm linerate performance heavily.
Agree, and it will also prevent MACsec offload in offloaded bridge devices.

/Allan

  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-21  9:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-08 14:05 [PATCH net-next v2 0/9] net: macsec: initial support for hardware offloading Antoine Tenart
2019-08-08 14:05 ` [PATCH net-next v2 1/9] net: introduce the MACSEC netdev feature Antoine Tenart
2019-08-08 14:05 ` [PATCH net-next v2 2/9] net: macsec: move some definitions in a dedicated header Antoine Tenart
2019-08-10 12:19   ` Igor Russkikh
2019-08-12  8:17     ` Antoine Tenart
2019-08-08 14:05 ` [PATCH net-next v2 3/9] net: macsec: introduce the macsec_context structure Antoine Tenart
2019-08-08 14:05 ` [PATCH net-next v2 4/9] net: introduce MACsec ops and add a reference in net_device Antoine Tenart
2019-08-09 20:35   ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-08-12  8:18     ` Antoine Tenart
2019-08-08 14:05 ` [PATCH net-next v2 5/9] net: phy: add MACsec ops in phy_device Antoine Tenart
2019-08-14 23:15   ` Florian Fainelli
2019-08-20 10:07     ` Antoine Tenart
2019-08-08 14:05 ` [PATCH net-next v2 6/9] net: macsec: hardware offloading infrastructure Antoine Tenart
2019-08-10 13:20   ` Igor Russkikh
2019-08-13  8:58     ` Antoine Tenart
2019-08-13 13:17       ` Andrew Lunn
2019-08-13 16:18         ` Igor Russkikh
2019-08-13 16:28           ` Andrew Lunn
2019-08-14  8:32             ` Antoine Tenart
2019-08-14 23:28             ` Florian Fainelli
2019-08-16 13:26             ` Sabrina Dubroca
2019-08-20 10:03             ` Antoine Tenart
2019-08-14  8:31           ` Antoine Tenart
2019-08-16 13:29           ` Sabrina Dubroca
2019-08-20 10:01             ` Antoine Tenart
2019-08-20 14:41               ` Sabrina Dubroca
2019-08-21  0:01                 ` Andrew Lunn
2019-08-21  9:20                 ` Igor Russkikh
2019-08-21  9:27                   ` allan.nielsen [this message]
2019-08-21  9:24                 ` allan.nielsen
2019-08-21 10:01                 ` Antoine Tenart
2019-08-21 12:01                   ` Igor Russkikh
2019-08-16 13:25       ` Sabrina Dubroca
2019-08-20 10:07         ` Antoine Tenart
2019-08-10 16:34   ` Andrew Lunn
2019-08-12  8:15     ` Antoine Tenart
2019-08-13 11:46     ` Igor Russkikh
2019-08-08 14:05 ` [PATCH net-next v2 7/9] net: phy: export __phy_read_page/__phy_write_page Antoine Tenart
2019-08-08 14:05 ` [PATCH net-next v2 8/9] net: phy: mscc: macsec initialization Antoine Tenart
2019-08-10 16:53   ` Andrew Lunn
2019-08-12  8:12     ` Antoine Tenart
2019-08-08 14:06 ` [PATCH net-next v2 9/9] net: phy: mscc: macsec support Antoine Tenart
2019-08-09 11:23 ` [PATCH net-next v2 0/9] net: macsec: initial support for hardware offloading Allan W. Nielsen
2019-08-09 11:40   ` Antoine Tenart

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