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From: Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Brendan Higgins <brendanhiggins@google.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: numlist_push() barriers Re: [RFC PATCH v4 1/9] printk-rb: add a new printk ringbuffer implementation
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 10:43:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190826084352.GA3989@andrea> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190826083436.GA3047@andrea>

Sorry for top posting, but I forgot to mention: as you might have
noticed, my @amarulasolutions address is not active anymore; FWIW,
you should still be able to reach me at this @gmail address.

Thanks,
  Andrea


On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 10:34:36AM +0200, Andrea Parri wrote:
> > > +	/*
> > > +	 * bA:
> > > +	 *
> > > +	 * Setup the node to be a list terminator: next_id == id.
> > > +	 */
> > > +	WRITE_ONCE(n->next_id, id);
> > 
> > Do we need WRITE_ONCE() here?
> > Both "n" and "id" are given as parameters and do not change.
> > The assigment must be done before "id" is set as nl->head_id.
> > The ordering is enforced by cmpxchg_release().
> 
> (Disclaimer: this is still a very much debated issue...)
> 
> According to the LKMM, this question boils down to the question:
> 
>   Is there "ordering"/synchronization between the above access and
>   the "matching accesses" bF and aA' to the same location?
> 
> Again according to the LKMM's analysis, such synchronization is provided
> by the RELEASE -> "reads-from" -> ADDR relation.  (Encoding address dep.
> in litmus tests is kind of tricky but possible, e.g., for the pattern in
> question, we could write/model as follows:
> 
> C S+ponarelease+addroncena
> 
> {
> 	int *y = &a;
> }
> 
> P0(int *x, int **y, int *a)
> {
> 	int *r0;
> 
> 	*x = 2;
> 	r0 = cmpxchg_release(y, a, x);
> }
> 
> P1(int *x, int **y)
> {
> 	int *r0;
> 
> 	r0 = READ_ONCE(*y);
> 	*r0 = 1;
> }
> 
> exists (1:r0=x /\ x=2)
> 
> Then
> 
>   $ herd7 -conf linux-kernel.cfg S+ponarelease+addroncena
>   Test S+ponarelease+addroncena Allowed
>   States 2
>   1:r0=a; x=2;
>   1:r0=x; x=1;
>   No
>   Witnesses
>   Positive: 0 Negative: 2
>   Condition exists (1:r0=x /\ x=2)
>   Observation S+ponarelease+addroncena Never 0 2
>   Time S+ponarelease+addroncena 0.01
>   Hash=7eaf7b5e95419a3c352d7fd50b9cd0d5
> 
> that is, the test is not racy and the "exists" clause is not satisfiable
> in the LKMM.  Notice that _if the READ_ONCE(*y) in P1 were replaced by a
> plain read, then we would obtain:
> 
>   Test S+ponarelease+addrnana Allowed
>   States 2
>   1:r0=x; x=1;
>   1:r0=x; x=2;
>   Ok
>   Witnesses
>   Positive: 1 Negative: 1
>   Flag data-race		[ <-- the LKMM warns about a data-race ]
>   Condition exists (1:r0=x /\ x=2)
>   Observation S+ponarelease+addrnana Sometimes 1 1
>   Time S+ponarelease+addrnana 0.00
>   Hash=a61acf2e8e51c2129d33ddf5e4c76a49
> 
> N.B. This analysis generally depends on the assumption that every marked
> access (e.g., the cmpxchg_release() called out above and the READ_ONCE()
> heading the address dependencies) are _single-copy atomic, an assumption
> which has been recently shown to _not be valid in such generality:
> 
>   https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20190821103200.kpufwtviqhpbuv2n@willie-the-truck
> 
> (Bug in the LKMM? or in the Linux implementation of these primitives? or
> in the compiler? your blame here...)
> 
> 
> [...]
> 
> > > +		/*
> > > +		 * bD:
> > > +		 *
> > > +		 * Set @seq to +1 of @seq from the previous head.
> > > +		 *
> > > +		 * Memory barrier involvement:
> > > +		 *
> > > +		 * If bB reads from bE, then bC->aA reads from bD.
> > > +		 *
> > > +		 * Relies on:
> > > +		 *
> > > +		 * RELEASE from bD to bE
> > > +		 *    matching
> > > +		 * ADDRESS DEP. from bB to bC->aA
> > > +		 */
> > > +		WRITE_ONCE(n->seq, seq + 1);
> > 
> > Do we really need WRITE_ONCE() here? 
> > It is the same problem as with setting n->next_id above.
> 
> Same considerations as above would apply here.
> 
>   Andrea

  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-26  8:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 131+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-07 22:26 [RFC PATCH v4 0/9] printk: new ringbuffer implementation John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 1/9] printk-rb: add a new printk " John Ogness
2019-08-20  8:15   ` numlist_pop(): " Petr Mladek
2019-08-21  5:41     ` John Ogness
2019-09-04 12:19     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-20  8:22   ` assign_desc() barriers: " Petr Mladek
2019-08-20 14:14     ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-21  5:52       ` John Ogness
2019-08-22 11:53         ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-25  2:06           ` John Ogness
2019-08-26  8:21             ` John Ogness
2019-08-20  8:55   ` comments style: " Petr Mladek
2019-08-20  9:27     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-08-21  5:46       ` John Ogness
2019-08-22 13:50         ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-22 17:38           ` Andrea Parri
2019-08-23 10:47             ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-23 14:27               ` Andrea Parri
2019-08-23  9:49           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-08-23  5:54         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-08-23 10:29           ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-21  5:42     ` John Ogness
2019-08-22 12:44       ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-20 13:50   ` dataring_push() barriers " Petr Mladek
2019-08-25  2:42     ` John Ogness
2019-08-27 14:36       ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-28 13:43         ` John Ogness
2019-08-20 15:12   ` datablock reuse races " Petr Mladek
2019-08-23  9:21   ` numlist_push() barriers " Petr Mladek
2019-08-26  8:34     ` Andrea Parri
2019-08-26  8:43       ` Andrea Parri [this message]
2019-08-26 14:10       ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-26 16:01         ` Andrea Parri
2019-08-26 22:36     ` John Ogness
2019-08-27  7:40       ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-27 14:28         ` John Ogness
2019-08-27 15:07           ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-28 10:24             ` John Ogness
2019-08-23 17:18   ` numlist API " Petr Mladek
2019-08-26 23:57     ` John Ogness
2019-08-27 13:03       ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-28  7:13         ` John Ogness
2019-08-28  8:58           ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-28 14:03             ` John Ogness
2019-08-29 11:28               ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-03  7:58         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-08-30 14:48   ` dataring " Petr Mladek
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 2/9] printk-rb: add test module John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 3/9] printk-rb: fix missing includes/exports John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 4/9] printk-rb: initialize new descriptors as invalid John Ogness
2019-08-20  9:23   ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-20 10:16     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-08-21  5:56     ` John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 5/9] printk-rb: remove extra data buffer size allocation John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 6/9] printk-rb: adjust test module ringbuffer sizes John Ogness
2019-08-19 21:29   ` [PATCH] printk-rb: fix test module macro usage John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 7/9] printk-rb: increase size of seq and size variables John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 8/9] printk-rb: new functionality to support printk John Ogness
2019-08-20  9:59   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-08-21  5:47     ` John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 9/9] printk: use a new ringbuffer implementation John Ogness
2019-08-08 19:07   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-08 22:55     ` John Ogness
2019-08-08 23:33       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-08 23:45         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-09  0:21           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-09  0:48             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-09  1:15               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-09 11:15                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-09 16:00                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-09 20:07                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-09 20:20                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-09  6:14     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-09  7:08       ` John Ogness
2019-08-09 15:57       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-10  5:53         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-09-10  3:19           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-08-12  9:54       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-08-16  5:46   ` Dave Young
2019-08-16  5:54     ` Dave Young
2019-08-16  9:40     ` John Ogness
2019-09-04 12:35 ` [RFC PATCH v4 0/9] printk: " Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-05 13:05   ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-05 14:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-05 15:38       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-09-05 16:11         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-05 21:10           ` John Ogness
2019-09-06  9:39           ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-09 14:11           ` printk meeting at LPC Thomas Gleixner
2019-09-13 13:26             ` John Ogness
2019-09-13 14:48               ` Daniel Vetter
2019-09-15 13:47                 ` John Ogness
2019-09-16  8:44                   ` Daniel Vetter
2019-09-16  4:30               ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-09-16 10:46                 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-16 13:43                   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-16 14:28                     ` John Ogness
2019-09-17  8:11                       ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-17  7:52                     ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-17 13:02                       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-17 13:12                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-09-17 13:37                           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-17 14:08                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-09-17  7:51                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-18  1:25               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-18  2:08                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-18  2:36                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-18  5:19                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-18  7:42                       ` John Ogness
2019-09-18  8:10                         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-18  9:05                           ` John Ogness
2019-09-18  9:11                             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-18 16:41                             ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-18 16:48                               ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-24 14:24                                 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-19  8:06                         ` Daniel Vetter
2019-09-18  7:33                     ` John Ogness
2019-09-18  8:08                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-10-04 14:48               ` Tony Asleson
2019-10-07 12:01                 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-06  9:06       ` [RFC PATCH v4 0/9] printk: new ringbuffer implementation Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-06 10:09         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-06 10:49           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-06 13:44             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-06 12:42         ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-06 14:01           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-06 14:22             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-06 19:53             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-06 22:47             ` John Ogness
2019-09-08 22:18             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-10  3:22             ` Sergey Senozhatsky

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