From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@ezchip.com>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>, Kirill Tkhai <tkhai@yandex.ru>,
Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
mpe@ellerman.id.au
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] task: RCU protect tasks on the runqueue
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 14:32:18 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190903213218.GG4125@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190903200603.GW2349@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Tue, Sep 03, 2019 at 10:06:03PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 03, 2019 at 12:18:47PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > Now, if you can point to some particular field where that ordering
> > makes sense for the particular case of "make it active on the
> > runqueue" vs "look up the task from the runqueue using RCU", then I do
> > think that the whole release->acquire consistency makes sense.
> >
> > But it's not clear that such a field exists, particularly when this is
> > in no way the *common* way to even get a task pointer, and other paths
> > do *not* use the runqueue as the serialization point.
>
> Even if we could find a case (and I'm not seeing one in a hurry), I
> would try really hard to avoid adding extra barriers here and instead
> make the consumer a little more complicated if at all possible.
>
> The Power folks got rid of a SYNC (yes, more expensive than LWSYNC) from
> their __switch_to() implementation and that had a measurable impact.
>
> 9145effd626d ("powerpc/64: Drop explicit hwsync in context switch")
The patch [1] looks good to me. And yes, if the structure pointed to by
the second argument of rcu_assign_pointer() is already visible to readers,
it is OK to instead use RCU_INIT_POINTER(). Yes, this loses ordering.
But weren't these simple assignments before RCU got involved?
As a very rough rule of thumb, LWSYNC is about twice as fast as SYNC.
(Depends on workload, exact details of the hardware, timing, phase of
the moon, you name it.) So removing the LWSYNC is likely to provide
measureable benefit, but I must defer to the powerpc maintainers.
To that end, I added Michael on CC.
Thanx, Paul
[1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/878sr6t21a.fsf_-_@x220.int.ebiederm.org/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-09-03 21:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-08-30 14:08 [BUG] Use of probe_kernel_address() in task_rcu_dereference() without checking return value Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2019-08-30 15:24 ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-08-30 15:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-30 15:40 ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2019-08-30 15:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-30 15:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-30 16:09 ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-08-30 16:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-30 16:44 ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-08-30 16:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-30 19:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-02 13:40 ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-09-02 13:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-02 14:44 ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-09-02 16:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-02 17:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-02 17:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-03 4:50 ` [PATCH 0/3] task: Making tasks on the runqueue rcu protected Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-03 4:51 ` [PATCH 1/3] task: Add a count of task rcu users Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-04 14:36 ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-09-04 14:44 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-09-04 15:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-09-04 16:33 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-09-04 18:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-05 14:59 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-09-03 4:52 ` [PATCH 2/3] task: RCU protect tasks on the runqueue Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-03 7:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-03 7:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-03 16:44 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-03 17:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-03 18:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-03 19:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-03 20:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-03 21:32 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2019-09-05 20:02 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-05 20:55 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-09-06 7:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-09 12:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-25 7:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-27 8:10 ` [tip: sched/urgent] tasks, sched/core: RCUify the assignment of rq->curr tip-bot2 for Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-03 19:42 ` [PATCH 2/3] task: RCU protect tasks on the runqueue Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-14 12:31 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] task: Add a count of task rcu users Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-14 12:31 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] task: Ensure tasks are available for a grace period after leaving the runqueue Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-14 12:32 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] task: With a grace period after finish_task_switch, remove unnecessary code Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-04 14:22 ` [PATCH 2/3] task: RCU protect tasks on the runqueue Frederic Weisbecker
2019-09-03 4:52 ` [PATCH 3/3] task: Clean house now that tasks on the runqueue are rcu protected Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-03 9:45 ` kbuild test robot
2019-09-03 13:06 ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-09-03 13:58 ` [PATCH 0/3] task: Making tasks on the runqueue " Oleg Nesterov
2019-09-03 15:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-03 19:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <87muf7f4bf.fsf_-_@x220.int.ebiederm.org>
2019-09-14 12:33 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] task: Add a count of task rcu users Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-15 13:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-09-27 8:10 ` [tip: sched/urgent] tasks: Add a count of task RCU users tip-bot2 for Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-14 12:33 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] task: Ensure tasks are available for a grace period after leaving the runqueue Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-15 14:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-09-15 14:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-09-27 8:10 ` [tip: sched/urgent] tasks, sched/core: " tip-bot2 for Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-14 12:34 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] task: With a grace period after finish_task_switch, remove unnecessary code Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-15 14:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-09-15 17:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-15 18:47 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-09-27 8:10 ` [tip: sched/urgent] tasks, sched/core: With a grace period after finish_task_switch(), " tip-bot2 for Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-14 12:35 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] task: RCUify the assignment of rq->curr Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-15 14:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-09-15 17:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-15 18:25 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-15 18:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-09-20 23:02 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-09-26 1:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-26 12:42 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-09-14 17:43 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] task: Making tasks on the runqueue rcu protected Linus Torvalds
2019-09-17 17:38 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-25 7:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-26 1:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
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