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From: Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Fenghua Yu <fenghua.yu@intel.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, H Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Radim Krcmar <rkrcmar@redhat.com>,
	Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@intel.com>, Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Xiaoyao Li <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>,
	Sai Praneeth Prakhya <sai.praneeth.prakhya@intel.com>,
	Ravi V Shankar <ravi.v.shankar@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, x86 <x86@kernel.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 09/17] x86/split_lock: Handle #AC exception for split lock
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 08:59:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191016155942.GB5866@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1910161038210.2046@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 11:29:00AM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> >   - Modify the #AC handler to test/set the same atomic variable as the
> >     sysfs knob.  This is the "disabled by kernel" flow.
> 
> That's the #AC in kernel handler, right?

Yes.

> >   - Modify the debugfs/sysfs knob to only allow disabling split-lock
> >     detection.  This is the "disabled globally" path, i.e. sends IPIs to
> >     clear MSR_TEST_CTRL.split_lock on all online CPUs.
> 
> Why only disable? What's wrong with reenabling it? The shiny new driver you
> are working on is triggering #AC. So in order to test the fix, you need to
> reboot the machine instead of just unloading the module, reenabling #AC and
> then loading the fixed one?

A re-enabling path adds complexity (though not much) and is undesirable
for a production environment as a split-lock issue in the kernel isn't
going to magically disappear.  And I thought that disable-only was also
your preferred implementation based on a previous comment[*], but that
comment may have been purely in the scope of userspace applications.

Anyways, my personal preference would be to keep things simple and not
support a re-enabling path.  But then again, I do 99.9% of my development
in VMs so my vote probably shouldn't count regarding the module issue.

[*] https://lkml.kernel.org/r/alpine.DEB.2.21.1904180832290.3174@nanos.tec.linutronix.de

> >   - Modify the resume/init flow to clear MSR_TEST_CTRL.split_lock if it's
> >     been disabled on *any* CPU via #AC or via the knob.
> 
> Fine.
> 
> >   - Remove KVM loading of MSR_TEST_CTRL, i.e. KVM *never* writes the CPU's
> >     actual MSR_TEST_CTRL.  KVM still emulates MSR_TEST_CTRL so that the
> >     guest can do WRMSR and handle its own #AC faults, but KVM doesn't
> >     change the value in hardware.
> > 
> >       * Allowing guest to enable split-lock detection can induce #AC on
> >         the host after it has been explicitly turned off, e.g. the sibling
> >         hyperthread hits an #AC in the host kernel, or worse, causes a
> >         different process in the host to SIGBUS.
> >
> >       * Allowing guest to disable split-lock detection opens up the host
> >         to DoS attacks.
> 
> Wasn't this discussed before and agreed on that if the host has AC enabled
> that the guest should not be able to force disable it? I surely lost track
> of this completely so my memory might trick me.

Yes, I was restating that point, or at least attempting to.
 
> The real question is what you do when the host has #AC enabled and the
> guest 'disabled' it and triggers #AC. Is that going to be silently ignored
> or is the intention to kill the guest in the same way as we kill userspace?
> 
> The latter would be the right thing, but given the fact that the current
> kernels easily trigger #AC today, that would cause a major wreckage in
> hosting scenarios. So I fear we need to bite the bullet and have a knob
> which defaults to 'handle silently' and allows to enable the kill mechanics
> on purpose. 'Handle silently' needs some logging of course, at least a per
> guest counter which can be queried and a tracepoint.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-16 15:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-18 22:41 [PATCH v9 00/17] x86/split_lock: Enable split lock detection Fenghua Yu
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 01/17] x86/common: Align cpu_caps_cleared and cpu_caps_set to unsigned long Fenghua Yu
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 02/17] drivers/net/b44: Align pwol_mask to unsigned long for better performance Fenghua Yu
2019-06-24 15:12   ` David Laight
2019-06-24 18:43     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 03/17] x86/split_lock: Align x86_capability to unsigned long to avoid split locked access Fenghua Yu
2019-06-24 15:12   ` David Laight
2019-06-25 23:54     ` Fenghua Yu
2019-06-26 19:15       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 04/17] x86/msr-index: Define MSR_IA32_CORE_CAP and split lock detection bit Fenghua Yu
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 05/17] x86/cpufeatures: Enumerate MSR_IA32_CORE_CAP Fenghua Yu
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 06/17] x86/split_lock: Enumerate split lock detection by MSR_IA32_CORE_CAP Fenghua Yu
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 07/17] x86/split_lock: Enumerate split lock detection on Icelake mobile processor Fenghua Yu
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 08/17] x86/split_lock: Define MSR TEST_CTL register Fenghua Yu
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 09/17] x86/split_lock: Handle #AC exception for split lock Fenghua Yu
2019-06-26 20:20   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-26 20:36     ` Fenghua Yu
2019-06-26 21:47       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-09-25 18:09         ` Sean Christopherson
2019-10-16  6:58           ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-10-16  9:29           ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-16 15:59             ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2019-10-16  9:40           ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-10-16  9:47             ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-16 10:16               ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-10-16 11:23                 ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-10-16 11:26                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-10-16 13:13                     ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-10-16 14:43                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-16 15:37                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-10-16 16:25                           ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-10-16 16:38                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-10-17 12:29                           ` [RFD] x86/split_lock: Request to Intel Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-17 17:23                             ` Sean Christopherson
2019-10-17 21:31                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-17 23:38                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2019-10-17 23:28                             ` Luck, Tony
2019-10-18 10:45                               ` David Laight
2019-10-18 21:03                                 ` hpa
2019-10-18  2:36                             ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-10-18  9:02                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-18 10:20                                 ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-10-18 10:43                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-16 11:49                 ` [PATCH v9 09/17] x86/split_lock: Handle #AC exception for split lock Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-16 11:58                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-10-16 13:51                     ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-10-16 14:08                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-10-16 14:14                         ` David Laight
2019-10-16 15:03                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-16 15:41                         ` Sean Christopherson
2019-10-16 15:43                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-10-16 16:23                             ` Sean Christopherson
2019-10-16 17:42                               ` Sean Christopherson
2019-10-17  1:23                                 ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-10-21 13:06                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-10-21 13:03                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-10-21 13:02                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-10-16 14:50                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 10/17] kvm/x86: Emulate MSR IA32_CORE_CAPABILITY Fenghua Yu
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 11/17] kvm/vmx: Emulate MSR TEST_CTL Fenghua Yu
2019-06-27  2:24   ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-06-27  7:12     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-27  7:58       ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-06-27 12:11         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-27 12:22           ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 12/17] x86/split_lock: Enable split lock detection by default Fenghua Yu
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 13/17] x86/split_lock: Disable split lock detection by kernel parameter "nosplit_lock_detect" Fenghua Yu
2019-06-26 20:34   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-26 20:37     ` Fenghua Yu
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 14/17] x86/split_lock: Add a debugfs interface to enable/disable split lock detection during run time Fenghua Yu
2019-06-26 21:37   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 15/17] x86/split_lock: Add documentation for split lock detection interface Fenghua Yu
2019-06-26 21:51   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 16/17] x86/split_lock: Reorganize few header files in order to call WARN_ON_ONCE() in atomic bit ops Fenghua Yu
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 17/17] x86/split_lock: Warn on unaligned address in atomic bit operations Fenghua Yu
2019-06-26 22:00   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-09-16 22:39 ` [PATCH 0/3] Fix some 4-byte vs. 8-byte alignment issues Tony Luck
2019-09-16 22:39   ` [PATCH 1/3] x86/common: Align cpu_caps_cleared and cpu_caps_set to unsigned long Tony Luck
2019-11-15 19:26     ` [tip: x86/cpu] x86/cpu: " tip-bot2 for Fenghua Yu
2019-09-16 22:39   ` [PATCH 2/3] drivers/net/b44: Align pwol_mask to unsigned long for better performance Tony Luck
2019-09-16 22:39   ` [PATCH 3/3] x86/split_lock: Align the x86_capability array to size of unsigned long Tony Luck
2019-09-17  8:29     ` David Laight
2019-09-17 19:14       ` Luck, Tony
2019-09-18  8:54         ` David Laight
2019-11-15 19:26     ` [tip: x86/cpu] x86/cpu: " tip-bot2 for Fenghua Yu

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