From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3283CC33CA9 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2020 05:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3752075B for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2020 05:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726270AbgANFM6 (ORCPT ); Tue, 14 Jan 2020 00:12:58 -0500 Received: from zeniv.linux.org.uk ([195.92.253.2]:33610 "EHLO ZenIV.linux.org.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1725306AbgANFM6 (ORCPT ); Tue, 14 Jan 2020 00:12:58 -0500 Received: from viro by ZenIV.linux.org.uk with local (Exim 4.92.3 #3 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1irEVU-007mgT-4P; Tue, 14 Jan 2020 05:12:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 05:12:48 +0000 From: Al Viro To: Aleksa Sarai Cc: Linus Torvalds , David Howells , Eric Biederman , stable , Christian Brauner , Serge Hallyn , dev@opencontainers.org, Linux Containers , Linux API , linux-fsdevel , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Ian Kent Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/1] mount: universally disallow mounting over symlinks Message-ID: <20200114051248.GX8904@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> References: <20200101005446.GH4203@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> <20200101030815.GA17593@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> <20200101144407.ugjwzk7zxrucaa6a@yavin.dot.cyphar.com> <20200101234009.GB8904@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> <20200102035920.dsycgxnb6ba2jhz2@yavin.dot.cyphar.com> <20200103014901.GC8904@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> <20200108031314.GE8904@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> <20200110210719.ktg3l2kwjrdutlh6@yavin> <20200114045733.GW8904@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200114045733.GW8904@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 04:57:33AM +0000, Al Viro wrote: > On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 08:07:19AM +1100, Aleksa Sarai wrote: > > > If I'm understanding this proposal correctly, this would be a problem > > for the libpathrs use-case -- if this is done then there's no way to > > avoid a TOCTOU with someone mounting and the userspace program checking > > whether something is a mountpoint (unless you have Linux >5.6 and > > RESOLVE_NO_XDEV). Today, you can (in theory) do it with MNT_EXPIRE: > > > > 1. Open the candidate directory. > > 2. umount2(MNT_EXPIRE) the fd. > > * -EINVAL means it wasn't a mountpoint when we got the fd, and the > > fd is a stable handle to the underlying directory. > > * -EAGAIN or -EBUSY means that it was a mountpoint or became a > > mountpoint after the fd was opened (we don't care about that, but > > fail-safe is better here). > > 3. Use the fd from (1) for all operations. > > ... except that foo/../bar *WILL* cross into the covering mount, on any > kernel that supports ...at(2) at all, so I would be very cautious about > any kind "hardening" claims in that case. > > I'm not sure about Linus' proposal - it looks rather convoluted and we > get a hard to describe twist of semantics in an area (procfs symlinks > vs. mount traversal) on top of everything else in there... PS: one thing that might be interesting is exposing LOOKUP_DOWN via AT_... flag - it would allow to request mount traversals at the starting point explicitly. Pretty much all code needed for that is already there; all it would take is checking the flag in path_openat() and path_parentat() and having handle_lookup_down() called there, same as in path_lookupat(). A tricky question is whether such flag should affect absolute symlinks - i.e. chdir /foo ln -s /bar barf overmount / do lookup with that flag for /bar/splat do lookup with that flag for barf/splat Do we want the same results in both calls? The first one would traverse mounts on / and walk into /bar/splat in overmounting; the second - see no mounts whatsoever on current directory (/foo in old root), see the symlink to "/bar", jump to process' root and proceed from there, first for "bar", then "splat" in it...