From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v16.1 6/9] virtio-balloon: Add support for providing free page reports to host
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 09:07:12 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200211090052-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ada0ec83-8e7d-abb3-7053-0ec2bf2a9aa5@redhat.com>
On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 01:19:31PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> >>
> >> Did you see the discussion regarding unifying handling of
> >> inflate/deflate/free_page_hinting_free_page_reporting, requested by
> >> Michael? I think free page reporting is special and shall be left alone.
> >
> > Not sure what do you mean by "left alone here". Could you clarify?
>
> Don't try to unify handling like I proposed below, because it's
> semantics are special.
>
> >
> >> VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_REPORTING is nothing but a more advanced inflate, right
> >> (sg, inflate based on size - not "virtio pages")?
> >
> >
> > Not exactly - it's also initiated by guest as opposed to host, and
> > not guided by the ballon size request set by the host.
>
> True, but AFAIKS you could use existing INFLATE/DEFLATE in a similar
> way. There is no way for the hypervisor to nack a request. The balloon
> size is not glued to inflate/deflate requests. The guests manually
> updates it.
Hmm how isn't it? num_pages is the only way to inflate/deflate.
Spec also says:
The device is driven either by the receipt of a configuration change notification, or by changing guest memory
needs, such as performing memory compaction or responding to out of memory conditions.
so ignoring compaction/oom (later is under-specified, not a good example
to follow) yes inflate/deflate are tied to host specified configuration.
> > And uses a dedicated queue to avoid blocking other functionality ...
>
> True, but the other queues also don't allow for an easy extension
> AFAIKS, so that's another reason.
>
> >
> > I really think this is more like an inflate immediately followed by deflate.
>
> Depends on how you look at it. As inflate/deflate is not glued to the
> balloon size (the guest updates the size manually), it's not obvious.
>
> E.g., in QEMU, a deflate is just a performance improvement
> ("MADV_WILLNEED") - in that regard, it's more like an optional deflation.
>
> [...]
>
> >
> > I'd rather wait until we have a usecase and preferably a POC
> > showing it helps before we add optional deflate ...
> > For now I personally am fine with just making this go ahead as is,
> > and imply SG and OPTIONAL_DEFLATE just for this VQ.
>
> Also fine with me, you asked about if we can abstract any of this if I
> am not wrong :) So this was my take.
>
> >
> > Do you feel strongly we need to bring this up to a TC vote?
>
> Not really. People have been asking about how to inflate/deflate huge
> pages a long time ago (comes with different challenges - e.g., balloon
> compaction). looked like this interface could have been reused for this
> as well.
>
> But yeah, I am not a fan of virtio-balloon and the whole inflate/deflate
> thingy. So at least I don't see a need to extend the inflate/deflate
> capability.
>
> Free page reporting is a different story (and the semantics require no
> inflate/deflate/balloon size) - it could have been moved to
> virtio-whatever without any issues. So I am fine with this.
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-02-11 14:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-01-22 17:43 [PATCH v16.1 0/9] mm / virtio: Provide support for free page reporting Alexander Duyck
2020-01-22 17:43 ` [PATCH v16.1 1/9] mm: Adjust shuffle code to allow for future coalescing Alexander Duyck
2020-01-22 17:43 ` [PATCH v16.1 2/9] mm: Use zone and order instead of free area in free_list manipulators Alexander Duyck
2020-01-22 17:43 ` [PATCH v16.1 3/9] mm: Add function __putback_isolated_page Alexander Duyck
2020-01-22 17:43 ` [PATCH v16.1 4/9] mm: Introduce Reported pages Alexander Duyck
2020-01-22 17:43 ` [PATCH v16.1 5/9] virtio-balloon: Pull page poisoning config out of free page hinting Alexander Duyck
2020-01-22 17:43 ` [PATCH v16.1 6/9] virtio-balloon: Add support for providing free page reports to host Alexander Duyck
2020-02-11 11:03 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-11 11:47 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-11 12:19 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-11 14:07 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2020-02-11 14:31 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-11 14:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-11 15:13 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-11 16:33 ` Alexander Duyck
2020-02-11 17:04 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-22 17:43 ` [PATCH v16.1 7/9] mm/page_reporting: Rotate reported pages to the tail of the list Alexander Duyck
2020-01-22 17:43 ` [PATCH v16.1 8/9] mm/page_reporting: Add budget limit on how many pages can be reported per pass Alexander Duyck
2020-01-22 17:44 ` [PATCH v16.1 9/9] mm/page_reporting: Add free page reporting documentation Alexander Duyck
2020-01-23 10:20 ` [PATCH v16.1 0/9] mm / virtio: Provide support for free page reporting Alexander Graf
2020-01-23 14:05 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-23 14:52 ` Alexander Graf
2020-01-24 13:25 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-24 16:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-23 16:26 ` Alexander Duyck
2020-01-23 16:54 ` Alexander Graf
2020-01-23 18:33 ` Alexander Duyck
2020-01-23 18:47 ` Graf (AWS), Alexander
2020-01-23 22:05 ` Alexander Duyck
2020-01-23 17:20 ` Dave Hansen
2020-01-23 19:23 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2020-01-23 19:17 ` Johannes Weiner
2020-01-23 22:29 ` Alexander Duyck
2020-01-23 23:24 ` Dave Hansen
[not found] ` <20200124132352.12824-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2020-01-24 16:40 ` Alexander Graf
2020-02-03 22:05 ` Alexander Duyck
2020-02-10 19:18 ` Should I repost? (was: Re: [PATCH v16.1 0/9] mm / virtio: Provide support for free page reporting) Alexander Duyck
2020-02-11 10:40 ` Mel Gorman
2020-02-11 22:57 ` Alexander Duyck
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