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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@mellanox.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: mst@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
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	lingshan.zhu@intel.com, eperezma@redhat.com, lulu@redhat.com,
	parav@mellanox.com, kevin.tian@intel.com, stefanha@redhat.com,
	rdunlap@infradead.org, hch@infradead.org, aadam@redhat.com,
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	mhabets@solarflare.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 3/5] vDPA: introduce vDPA bus
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 11:05:42 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200213150542.GW4271@mellanox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ebaea825-5432-65e2-2ab3-720a8c4030e7@redhat.com>

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 10:58:44PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> 
> On 2020/2/13 下午9:41, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 11:34:10AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > 
> > > >    You have dev, type or
> > > > class to choose from. Type is rarely used and doesn't seem to be used
> > > > by vdpa, so class seems the right choice
> > > > 
> > > > Jason
> > > Yes, but my understanding is class and bus are mutually exclusive. So we
> > > can't add a class to a device which is already attached on a bus.
> > While I suppose there are variations, typically 'class' devices are
> > user facing things and 'bus' devices are internal facing (ie like a
> > PCI device)
> 
> 
> Though all vDPA devices have the same programming interface, but the
> semantic is different. So it looks to me that use bus complies what
> class.rst said:
> 
> "
> 
> Each device class defines a set of semantics and a programming interface
> that devices of that class adhere to. Device drivers are the
> implementation of that programming interface for a particular device on
> a particular bus.
> 
> "

Here we are talking about the /dev/XX node that provides the
programming interface. All the vdpa devices have the same basic
chardev interface and discover any semantic variations 'in band'

> > So why is this using a bus? VDPA is a user facing object, so the
> > driver should create a class vhost_vdpa device directly, and that
> > driver should live in the drivers/vhost/ directory.
>  
> This is because we want vDPA to be generic for being used by different
> drivers which is not limited to vhost-vdpa. E.g in this series, it allows
> vDPA to be used by kernel virtio drivers. And in the future, we will
> probably introduce more drivers in the future.

I don't see how that connects with using a bus.

Every class of virtio traffic is going to need a special HW driver to
enable VDPA, that special driver can create the correct vhost side
class device.

> > For the PCI VF case this driver would bind to a PCI device like
> > everything else
> > 
> > For our future SF/ADI cases the driver would bind to some
> > SF/ADI/whatever device on a bus.
> 
> All these driver will still be bound to their own bus (PCI or other). And
> what the driver needs is to present a vDPA device to virtual vDPA bus on
> top.

Again, I can't see any reason to inject a 'vdpa virtual bus' on
top. That seems like mis-using the driver core.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2020-02-13 15:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-10  3:56 [PATCH V2 0/5] vDPA support Jason Wang
2020-02-10  3:56 ` [PATCH V2 1/5] vhost: factor out IOTLB Jason Wang
2020-02-10  3:56 ` [PATCH V2 2/5] vringh: IOTLB support Jason Wang
2020-02-10  3:56 ` [PATCH V2 3/5] vDPA: introduce vDPA bus Jason Wang
2020-02-11 13:47   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-02-12  7:55     ` Jason Wang
2020-02-12 12:51       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-02-13  3:34         ` Jason Wang
2020-02-13 13:41           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-02-13 14:58             ` Jason Wang
2020-02-13 15:05               ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2020-02-13 15:41                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-13 15:51                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-02-13 15:56                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-13 16:24                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-02-14  4:05                         ` Jason Wang
2020-02-14 14:04                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-02-17  6:07                             ` Jason Wang
2020-02-13 15:59                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-13 16:13                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-02-14  4:39                         ` Jason Wang
2020-02-14  3:23                 ` Jason Wang
2020-02-14 13:52                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-02-17  6:08                     ` Jason Wang
2020-02-18 13:56                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-02-19  2:59                         ` Tiwei Bie
2020-02-19  5:35                         ` Jason Wang
2020-02-19 12:53                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-02-10  3:56 ` [PATCH V2 4/5] virtio: introduce a vDPA based transport Jason Wang
2020-02-10 13:34   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-02-11  3:04     ` Jason Wang
2020-02-10  3:56 ` [PATCH V2 5/5] vdpasim: vDPA device simulator Jason Wang
2020-02-10 11:23   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-11  3:12     ` Jason Wang
2020-02-11 13:52   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-02-12  8:27     ` Jason Wang

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