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From: Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH V4 07/13] fs: Add locking for a dynamic address space operations state
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 13:03:06 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200225210306.GA15810@iweiny-DESK2.sc.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200225173633.GA30843@lst.de>

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 06:36:33PM +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 11:09:37AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > No, the original code was broken because it didn't serialize between
> > > DAX and buffer access.
> > > 
> > > Take a step back and look where the problems are, and they are not
> > > mostly with the aops.  In fact the only aop useful for DAX is
> > > is ->writepages, and how it uses ->writepages is actually a bit of
> > > an abuse of that interface.
> > 
> > The races are all through the fops, too, which is one of the reasons
> > Darrick mentioned we should probably move this up to file ops
> > level...
> 
> But the file ops are very simple to use.  Pass the flag in the iocb,
> and make sure the flag can only changed with i_rwsem held.  That part
> is pretty trivial, the interesting case is mmap because it is so
> spread out.
> 
> > > So what we really need it just a way to prevent switching the flag
> > > when a file is mapped,
> > 
> > That's not sufficient.
> > 
> > We also have to prevent the file from being mapped *while we are
> > switching*. Nothing in the mmap() path actually serialises against
> > filesystem operations, and the initial behavioural checks in the
> > page fault path are similarly unserialised against changing the
> > S_DAX flag.
> 
> And the important part here is ->mmap.  If ->mmap doesn't get through
> we are not going to see page faults.

The series already blocks mmap'ed files from a switch.  That was not crazy
hard.  I don't see a use case to support changing the mode while the file is
mapped.

> 
> > > and in the normal read/write path ensure the
> > > flag can't be switch while I/O is going on, which could either be
> > > done by ensuring it is only switched under i_rwsem or equivalent
> > > protection, or by setting the DAX flag once in the iocb similar to
> > > IOCB_DIRECT.
> > 
> > The iocb path is not the problem - that's entirely serialised
> > against S_DAX changes by the i_rwsem. The problem is that we have no
> > equivalent filesystem level serialisation for the entire mmap/page
> > fault path, and it checks S_DAX all over the place.
> 
> Not right now.  We have various IS_DAX checks outside it.  But it is
> easily fixable indeed.
> 
> > /me wonders if the best thing to do is to add a ->fault callout to
> > tell the filesystem to lock/unlock the inode right up at the top of
> > the page fault path, outside even the mmap_sem.  That means all the
> > methods that the page fault calls are protected against S_DAX
> > changes, and it gives us a low cost method of serialising page
> > faults against DIO (e.g. via inode_dio_wait())....
> 
> Maybe.  Especially if it solves real problems and isn't just new
> overhead to add an esoteric feature.

I thought about doing something like this but it seemed easier to block the
change while the file was mapped.

> 
> > 
> > > And they easiest way to get all this done is as a first step to
> > > just allowing switching the flag when no blocks are allocated at
> > > all, similar to how the rt flag works.
> > 
> > False equivalence - it is not similar because the RT flag changes
> > and their associated state checks are *already fully serialised* by
> > the XFS_ILOCK_EXCL. S_DAX accesses have no such serialisation, and
> > that's the problem we need to solve...
> 
> And my point is that if we ensure S_DAX can only be checked if there
> are no blocks on the file, is is fairly easy to provide the same
> guarantee.  And I've not heard any argument that we really need more
> flexibility than that.  In fact I think just being able to change it
> on the parent directory and inheriting the flag might be more than
> plenty, which would lead to a very simple implementation without any
> of the crazy overhead in this series.

Inherit on file creation or also if a file was moved under the directory?

Do we need to consider hard or soft links?

Ira


  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-02-25 21:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-21  0:41 [PATCH V4 00/13] Enable per-file/per-directory DAX operations V4 ira.weiny
2020-02-21  0:41 ` [PATCH V4 01/13] fs/xfs: Remove unnecessary initialization of i_rwsem ira.weiny
2020-02-21  1:26   ` Dave Chinner
2020-02-27 17:52     ` Ira Weiny
2020-02-21  0:41 ` [PATCH V4 02/13] fs/xfs: Clarify lockdep dependency for xfs_isilocked() ira.weiny
2020-02-21  1:34   ` Dave Chinner
2020-02-21 23:00     ` Ira Weiny
2020-02-21  0:41 ` [PATCH V4 03/13] fs: Remove unneeded IS_DAX() check ira.weiny
2020-02-21  1:42   ` Dave Chinner
2020-02-21 23:04     ` Ira Weiny
2020-02-21 17:42   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-21  0:41 ` [PATCH V4 04/13] fs/stat: Define DAX statx attribute ira.weiny
2020-02-21  0:41 ` [PATCH V4 05/13] fs/xfs: Isolate the physical DAX flag from enabled ira.weiny
2020-02-21  0:41 ` [PATCH V4 06/13] fs/xfs: Create function xfs_inode_enable_dax() ira.weiny
2020-02-22  0:28   ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-02-23 15:07     ` Ira Weiny
2020-02-21  0:41 ` [PATCH V4 07/13] fs: Add locking for a dynamic address space operations state ira.weiny
2020-02-21 17:44   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-21 22:44     ` Dave Chinner
2020-02-21 23:26       ` Dan Williams
2020-02-24 17:56       ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-25  0:09         ` Dave Chinner
2020-02-25 17:36           ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-25 19:37             ` Jeff Moyer
2020-02-26  9:28               ` Jonathan Halliday
2020-02-26 11:31                 ` Jan Kara
2020-02-26 11:56                   ` Jonathan Halliday
2020-02-26 16:10                 ` Ira Weiny
2020-02-26 16:46                 ` Dan Williams
2020-02-26 17:20                   ` Jan Kara
2020-02-26 17:54                     ` Dan Williams
2020-02-25 21:03             ` Ira Weiny [this message]
2020-02-26 11:17           ` Jan Kara
2020-02-26 15:57             ` Ira Weiny
2020-02-22  0:33   ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-02-23 15:03     ` Ira Weiny
2020-02-21  0:41 ` [PATCH V4 08/13] fs: Prevent DAX state change if file is mmap'ed ira.weiny
2020-02-21  0:41 ` [PATCH V4 09/13] fs/xfs: Add write aops lock to xfs layer ira.weiny
2020-02-22  0:31   ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-02-23 15:04     ` Ira Weiny
2020-02-24  0:34   ` Dave Chinner
2020-02-24 19:57     ` Ira Weiny
2020-02-24 22:32       ` Dave Chinner
2020-02-25 21:12         ` Ira Weiny
2020-02-25 22:59           ` Dave Chinner
2020-02-26 18:02             ` Ira Weiny
2020-02-21  0:41 ` [PATCH V4 10/13] fs/xfs: Clean up locking in dax invalidate ira.weiny
2020-02-21 17:45   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-21 18:06     ` Ira Weiny
2020-02-21  0:41 ` [PATCH V4 11/13] fs/xfs: Allow toggle of effective DAX flag ira.weiny
2020-02-21  0:41 ` [PATCH V4 12/13] fs/xfs: Remove xfs_diflags_to_linux() ira.weiny
2020-02-21  0:41 ` [PATCH V4 13/13] Documentation/dax: Update Usage section ira.weiny
2020-02-26 22:48 ` [PATCH V4 00/13] Enable per-file/per-directory DAX operations V4 Jeff Moyer
2020-02-27  2:43   ` Ira Weiny

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