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From: Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Kristen Carlson Accardi <kristen@linux.intel.com>,
	dyoung@redhat.com, tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com,
	bp@alien8.de, hpa@zytor.com, arjan@linux.intel.com,
	rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com, kexec@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 09/11] kallsyms: hide layout and expose seed
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 11:36:48 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200228033648.GJ24216@MiWiFi-R3L-srv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <202002270802.1CA8B32AC@keescook>

On 02/27/20 at 08:02am, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 10:42:53AM +0800, Baoquan He wrote:
> > On 02/06/20 at 09:51am, Kristen Carlson Accardi wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 04:32 -0800, Kees Cook wrote:
> > 
> > > > In the past, making kallsyms entirely unreadable seemed to break
> > > > weird
> > > > stuff in userspace. How about having an alternative view that just
> > > > contains a alphanumeric sort of the symbol names (and they will
> > > > continue
> > > > to have zeroed addresses for unprivileged users)?
> > > > 
> > > > Or perhaps we wait to hear about this causing a problem, and deal
> > > > with
> > > > it then? :)
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Yeah - I don't know what people want here. Clearly, we can't leave
> > > kallsyms the way it is. Removing it entirely is a pretty fast way to
> > > figure out how people use it though :).
> > 
> > Kexec-tools and makedumpfile are the users of /proc/kallsyms currently. 
> > We use kallsyms to get page_offset_base and _stext.
> 
> AIUI, those run as root so they'd be able to consume the uncensored
> output.

Yes, they have to be run under root.


  reply	other threads:[~2020-02-28  3:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-05 22:39 [RFC PATCH 00/11] Finer grained kernel address space randomization Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 01/11] modpost: Support >64K sections Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 12:38   ` Kees Cook
2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 02/11] x86: tools/relocs: Support >64K section headers Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 12:39   ` Kees Cook
2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 03/11] x86/boot: Allow a "silent" kaslr random byte fetch Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06  1:08   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-02-06 11:48     ` Kees Cook
2020-02-06 16:58     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 04/11] x86/boot/KASLR: Introduce PRNG for faster shuffling Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06  1:11   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-02-06 15:10   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
     [not found]     ` <CAGiyFdes26XnNeDfaz-vkm+bU7MBYQiK3xty2EigGjOXBGui2w@mail.gmail.com>
2020-02-07  9:05       ` Kees Cook
2020-02-07 16:52         ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 05/11] x86: Makefile: Add build and config option for CONFIG_FG_KASLR Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 10:30   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-06 11:52     ` Kees Cook
2020-02-25 17:55   ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-26 19:13     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-03-24 21:24     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-03-25 15:34       ` Kees Cook
2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 06/11] x86: make sure _etext includes function sections Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 12:26   ` Kees Cook
2020-02-06 13:15     ` Jann Horn
2020-02-06 16:27       ` David Laight
2020-02-06 14:39     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-06 15:29       ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-06 16:11         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-02-06 14:57     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-06 15:45       ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-06 19:41     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 20:02       ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-02-07  9:24         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-10  1:43           ` Kees Cook
2020-02-10 10:51             ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-10 15:54               ` Arjan van de Ven
2020-02-10 16:36                 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-21 19:50                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-02-21 23:05                     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 07/11] x86/tools: Adding relative relocs for randomized functions Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 12:37   ` Kees Cook
2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 08/11] x86: Add support for finer grained KASLR Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06  1:17   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-02-06 11:56     ` Kees Cook
2020-02-06 17:36       ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 10:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-06 12:06     ` Kees Cook
2020-02-06 14:52       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-06 17:25         ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 17:35           ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-06 17:43             ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-25 17:49   ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-26 19:26     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 09/11] kallsyms: hide layout and expose seed Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 12:32   ` Kees Cook
2020-02-06 17:51     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 19:27       ` Jann Horn
2020-03-02 19:01         ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-03-02 19:08           ` Kees Cook
2020-03-02 19:19             ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-27  2:42       ` Baoquan He
2020-02-27 16:02         ` Kees Cook
2020-02-28  3:36           ` Baoquan He [this message]
2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 10/11] module: Reorder functions Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 12:41   ` Kees Cook
2020-02-11 12:39     ` Jessica Yu
2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 11/11] x86/boot: Move "boot heap" out of .bss Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06  0:11   ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-06  0:33     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-02-06 11:13     ` Kees Cook
2020-02-06 14:25       ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-06 21:32         ` Kees Cook

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