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From: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
Cc: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-team <kernel-team@android.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"K . Prasad" <prasad@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] Unexport kallsyms_lookup_name() and kallsyms_on_each_symbol()
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 07:57:35 +0100
Message-ID: <20200303065735.GA1172591@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1183544004.13859.1583180227118.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com>

On Mon, Mar 02, 2020 at 03:17:07PM -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> ----- On Mar 2, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman gregkh@linuxfoundation.org wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Mar 02, 2020 at 08:36:58PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> >> On Mon, Mar 02, 2020 at 02:28:11PM -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> >> > On 21-Feb-2020 11:44:01 AM, Will Deacon wrote:
> >> > > Hi folks,
> >> > > 
> >> > > Despite having just a single modular in-tree user that I could spot,
> >> > > kallsyms_lookup_name() is exported to modules and provides a mechanism
> >> > > for out-of-tree modules to access and invoke arbitrary, non-exported
> >> > > kernel symbols when kallsyms is enabled.
> >> > > 
> >> > > This patch series fixes up that one user and unexports the symbol along
> >> > > with kallsyms_on_each_symbol(), since that could also be abused in a
> >> > > similar manner.
> >> > 
> >> > Hi,
> >> > 
> >> > I maintain a GPL kernel tracer (LTTng) since 2005 which happens to be
> >> > out-of-tree, even though we have made unsuccessful attempts to upstream
> >> > it in the past. It uses kallsyms_lookup_name() to fetch a few symbols. I
> >> > would be very glad to have them GPL-exported upstream rather than
> >> > relying on this work-around. Here is the list of symbols we would need
> >> > to GPL-export:
> >> > 
> >> > stack_trace_save
> >> > stack_trace_save_user
> >> > vmalloc_sync_all (CONFIG_X86)
> >> > get_pfnblock_flags_mask
> >> > disk_name
> >> > block_class
> >> > disk_type
> >> 
> >> I hate to ask, but why does anyone need block_class?  or disk_name or
> >> disk_type?  I need to put them behind a driver core namespace or
> >> something soon...
> > 
> 
> In LTTng, we have a "statedump" which dumps all the relevant state of
> the kernel at trace start (or when the user asks for it) into the
> kernel trace. It is used to collect information which helps translating
> compact numeric data into human-readable information at post-processing.
> 
> For block devices, the statedump contains the mapping between the
> device number and the disk name [1]. It uses the "block_class",
> "disk_name", and "disk_type" symbols for this. Here is the
> post-processing output:
> 
> [14:48:41.388934812] (+?.?????????) compudjdev lttng_statedump_block_device: { cpu_id = 0 }, { dev = 1048576, diskname = "ram0" }
> [...]
> [14:48:41.442548745] (+0.003574998) compudjdev lttng_statedump_block_device: { cpu_id = 0 }, { dev = 1048591, diskname = "ram15" }
> [14:48:41.446064977] (+0.003516232) compudjdev lttng_statedump_block_device: { cpu_id = 0 }, { dev = 265289728, diskname = "vda" }
> [14:48:41.449579781] (+0.003514804) compudjdev lttng_statedump_block_device: { cpu_id = 0 }, { dev = 265289729, diskname = "vda1" }
> [14:48:41.453113808] (+0.003534027) compudjdev lttng_statedump_block_device: { cpu_id = 0 }, { dev = 265289744, diskname = "vdb" }
> [14:48:41.456640876] (+0.003527068) compudjdev lttng_statedump_block_device: { cpu_id = 0 }, { dev = 265289745, diskname = "vdb1" }
> 
> This information is then used in our I/O analyses to show information
> comprehensible to a user.

But all of that is availble to you today in userspace, why dig through
random kernel symbols?

Look in /sys/dev/block/ or in /sys/block/ for all of that information.
Is there something that you can only find by the internal symbols that
is not present today in sysfs?

> > Wait, disk_type is a static variable.  And there's multiple ones of
> > them, how does that work?
> 
> Yes, this is far from ideal. Here are the ones I observe in the kernel
> sources:
> 
> block/genhd.c
> 40:static const struct device_type disk_type;   <---- the one we use
> 
> lib/raid6/test/test.c
> 41:static char disk_type(int d)  <---- this is a stand-alone user-space test program, not part of the kernel image.
> 
> crypto/async_tx/raid6test.c (depends on CONFIG_ASYNC_RAID6_TEST)
> 44:static char disk_type(int d, int disks) <---- the compiler optimizes away this function, so this symbol is not present in the kernel image.
> 
> I think a better approach to solve this would be to implement and expose an
> iterator function in the core kernel which could invoke a callback. However,
> the main issue remains: if the only user is out-of-tree, I cannot justify
> adding an exported kernel helper for this.

I think the best thing would be to use the userspace api :)

thanks,

greg k-h

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Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-21 11:44 Will Deacon
2020-02-21 11:44 ` [PATCH 1/3] samples/hw_breakpoint: Drop HW_BREAKPOINT_R when reporting writes Will Deacon
2020-02-21 14:12   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-21 11:44 ` [PATCH 2/3] samples/hw_breakpoint: Drop use of kallsyms_lookup_name() Will Deacon
2020-02-21 14:13   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-21 14:20     ` Will Deacon
2020-02-21 11:44 ` [PATCH 3/3] kallsyms: Unexport kallsyms_lookup_name() and kallsyms_on_each_symbol() Will Deacon
2020-02-21 11:53   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-02-21 14:14   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-21 15:11   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-02-21 14:27 ` [PATCH 0/3] " Masami Hiramatsu
2020-02-21 14:48   ` Will Deacon
2020-02-21 23:44     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2020-02-21 15:41 ` David Laight
2020-02-21 16:25   ` Quentin Perret
2020-02-25 10:05 ` Miroslav Benes
2020-02-25 12:11   ` Petr Mladek
2020-02-25 15:00     ` Joe Lawrence
2020-02-25 18:01       ` Miroslav Benes
2020-02-26 14:16         ` Joe Lawrence
2020-03-02 19:28 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-03-02 19:36   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-03-02 19:39     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-03-02 20:17       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-03-03  6:57         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman [this message]
2020-03-03 16:58           ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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