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From: Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	"Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
	linux-ext4 <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-xfs <linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V6 6/8] fs/xfs: Combine xfs_diflags_to_linux() and xfs_diflags_to_iflags()
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 15:10:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200408221059.GB664132@iweiny-DESK2.sc.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4gLvMSA9BypvWbYtv3xsK8o4+db3kvxBozUGAjr_sDDFQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 08, 2020 at 02:28:30PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 2:02 PM Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
> >

[snip]

> > >
> > > void
> > > xfs_diflags_to_iflags(
> > >         struct xfs_inode        *ip,
> > >         bool init)
> > > {
> > >         struct inode            *inode = VFS_I(ip);
> > >         unsigned int            xflags = xfs_ip2xflags(ip);
> > >         unsigned int            flags = 0;
> > >
> > >         inode->i_flags &= ~(S_IMMUTABLE | S_APPEND | S_SYNC | S_NOATIME |
> > >                             S_DAX);
> >
> > We don't want to clear the dax flag here, ever, if it is already
> > set. That is an externally visible change and opens us up (again) to
> > races where IS_DAX() changes half way through a fault path. IOWs, avoiding
> > clearing the DAX flag was something I did explicitly in the above
> > code fragment.
> >
> > And it makes the logic clearer by pre-calculating the new flags,
> > then clearing and setting the inode flags together, rather than
> > having the spearated at the top and bottom of the function.
> >
> > THis leads to an obvious conclusion: if we never clear the in memory
> > S_DAX flag, we can actually clear the on-disk flag safely, so that
> > next time the inode cycles into memory it won't be using DAX. IOWs,
> > admins can stop the applications, clear the DAX flag and drop
> > caches. This should result in the inode being recycled and when the
> > app is restarted it will run without DAX. No ned for deleting files,
> > copying large data sets, etc just to turn off an inode flag.
> 
> Makes sense, but is that sufficient? I recall you saying there might
> be a multitude of other reasons that the inode is not evicted, not the
> least of which is races [1]. Does this need another flag, lets call it
> "dax toggle" to track the "I requested the inode to clear the flag,
> but on cache-flush + restart the inode never got evicted" case. S_DAX
> almost plays this role, but it loses the ability to audit which files
> are pending an inode eviction event. So the dax-toggle flag indicates
> to the kernel to xor the toggle value with the inode flag on inode
> instantiation and the dax inode flag is never directly manipulated by
> the ioctl path.
> 
> [1]: http://lore.kernel.org/r/20191025003603.GE4614@dread.disaster.area

FWIW I think we should continue down this simplified interface and get this
done for 5.8.  If we can come up with a way for delayed mode change I'm all for
looking into that.  But there has been too much controversy/difficulty about
changing the bit on a file.

So let's table this idea until >= 5.9

Ira


  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-08 22:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-07 18:29 [PATCH V6 0/8] Enable per-file/per-directory DAX operations V6 ira.weiny
2020-04-07 18:29 ` [PATCH V6 1/8] fs/xfs: Remove unnecessary initialization of i_rwsem ira.weiny
2020-04-07 23:46   ` Dave Chinner
2020-04-07 18:29 ` [PATCH V6 2/8] fs: Remove unneeded IS_DAX() check ira.weiny
2020-04-09  7:31   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-04-09 14:57     ` Ira Weiny
2020-04-07 18:29 ` [PATCH V6 3/8] fs/stat: Define DAX statx attribute ira.weiny
2020-04-07 23:47   ` Dave Chinner
2020-04-07 18:29 ` [PATCH V6 4/8] fs/xfs: Make DAX mount option a tri-state ira.weiny
2020-04-07 23:59   ` Dave Chinner
2020-04-08  0:09     ` Ira Weiny
2020-04-08  0:48       ` Dave Chinner
2020-04-09 15:03         ` Ira Weiny
2020-04-07 18:29 ` [PATCH V6 5/8] fs/xfs: Create function xfs_inode_enable_dax() ira.weiny
2020-04-08  0:05   ` Dave Chinner
2020-04-08  0:13     ` Ira Weiny
2020-04-07 18:29 ` [PATCH V6 6/8] fs/xfs: Combine xfs_diflags_to_linux() and xfs_diflags_to_iflags() ira.weiny
2020-04-08  2:08   ` Dave Chinner
2020-04-08 17:09     ` Ira Weiny
2020-04-08 21:02       ` Dave Chinner
2020-04-08 21:28         ` Dan Williams
2020-04-08 22:10           ` Ira Weiny [this message]
2020-04-08 23:58           ` Dave Chinner
2020-04-09  0:22             ` Ira Weiny
2020-04-09 12:41               ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-04-09 20:49                 ` Ira Weiny
2020-04-08 22:07         ` Ira Weiny
2020-04-08 23:21           ` Dave Chinner
2020-04-09  0:12             ` Ira Weiny
2020-04-09  0:30               ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-04-09 15:29                 ` Ira Weiny
2020-04-09 16:59                   ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-04-09 17:17                     ` Jan Kara
2020-04-09 20:54                     ` Ira Weiny
2020-04-09  0:49               ` Dave Chinner
2020-04-09 12:40                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-04-10  0:27                   ` Dave Chinner
2020-04-07 18:29 ` [PATCH V6 7/8] fs/xfs: Change xfs_ioctl_setattr_dax_invalidate() to xfs_ioctl_dax_check() ira.weiny
2020-04-08  2:23   ` Dave Chinner
2020-04-08  9:58     ` Jan Kara
2020-04-08 21:09       ` Dave Chinner
2020-04-08 22:26         ` Ira Weiny
2020-04-08 23:48           ` Dave Chinner
2020-04-09 12:28             ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-04-08 15:37   ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-04-08 18:13     ` Ira Weiny
2020-04-16  5:39   ` [fs/xfs] 857c9841f8: xfstests.xfs.046.fail kernel test robot
2020-04-07 18:29 ` [PATCH V6 8/8] Documentation/dax: Update Usage section ira.weiny

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