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Miller" , Network Development , LKML , linux-wireless , ath10k@lists.infradead.org Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 12/15] ath10k: use new module_firmware_crashed() Message-ID: <20200518133521.6052042e@kicinski-fedora-pc1c0hjn.dhcp.thefacebook.com> In-Reply-To: <8d7a3bed242ac9d3ec55a4c97e008081230f1f6d.camel@sipsolutions.net> References: <20200515212846.1347-1-mcgrof@kernel.org> <20200515212846.1347-13-mcgrof@kernel.org> <2b74a35c726e451b2fab2b5d0d301e80d1f4cdc7.camel@sipsolutions.net> <20200518165154.GH11244@42.do-not-panic.com> <4ad0668d-2de9-11d7-c3a1-ad2aedd0c02d@candelatech.com> <20200518170934.GJ11244@42.do-not-panic.com> <20200518171801.GL11244@42.do-not-panic.com> <20200518190930.GO11244@42.do-not-panic.com> <20200518132828.553159d9@kicinski-fedora-pc1c0hjn.dhcp.thefacebook.com> <8d7a3bed242ac9d3ec55a4c97e008081230f1f6d.camel@sipsolutions.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, 18 May 2020 22:29:53 +0200 Johannes Berg wrote: > On Mon, 2020-05-18 at 13:28 -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote: > > On Mon, 18 May 2020 21:25:09 +0200 Johannes Berg wrote: > > > It's pretty clear, but even then, first of all I doubt this is the case > > > for many of the places that you've sprinkled the annotation on, and > > > secondly it actually hides useful information. > > > > > > Regardless of the support issue, I think this hiding of information is > > > also problematic. > > > > > > I really think we'd all be better off if you just made a sysfs file (I > > > mistyped debugfs in some other email, sorry, apparently you didn't see > > > the correction in time) that listed which device(s) crashed and how many > > > times. That would actually be useful. Because honestly, if a random > > > device crashed for some random reason, that's pretty much a non-event. > > > If it keeps happening, then we might even want to know about it. > > > > Johannes - have you seen devlink health? I think we should just use > > that interface, since it supports all the things you're requesting, > > rather than duplicate it in sysfs. > > I haven't, and I'm glad to hear that's there, sounds good! > > I suspect that Luis wants something more generic though, that isn't just > applicable to netdevices, unless devlink grew some kind of non-netdev > stuff while I wasn't looking? :) It's intended to be a generic netlink channel for configuring devices. All the firmware-related interfaces have no dependencies on netdevs, in fact that's one of the reasons we moved to devlink - we don't want to hold rtnl lock just for talking to device firmware.