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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
To: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>
Cc: "Liu, Yi L" <yi.l.liu@intel.com>,
	"alex.williamson@redhat.com" <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
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	"Wu, Hao" <hao.wu@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/15] vfio: expose virtual Shared Virtual Addressing to VMs
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 16:49:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200616154928.GF1491454@stefanha-x1.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR11MB16451F1E4748DF97D6A1DDD48C9D0@MWHPR11MB1645.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

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On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 02:26:38AM +0000, Tian, Kevin wrote:
> > From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 6:02 PM
> > 
> > On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 05:15:19AM -0700, Liu Yi L wrote:
> > > Shared Virtual Addressing (SVA), a.k.a, Shared Virtual Memory (SVM) on
> > > Intel platforms allows address space sharing between device DMA and
> > > applications. SVA can reduce programming complexity and enhance
> > security.
> > >
> > > This VFIO series is intended to expose SVA usage to VMs. i.e. Sharing
> > > guest application address space with passthru devices. This is called
> > > vSVA in this series. The whole vSVA enabling requires QEMU/VFIO/IOMMU
> > > changes. For IOMMU and QEMU changes, they are in separate series (listed
> > > in the "Related series").
> > >
> > > The high-level architecture for SVA virtualization is as below, the key
> > > design of vSVA support is to utilize the dual-stage IOMMU translation (
> > > also known as IOMMU nesting translation) capability in host IOMMU.
> > >
> > >
> > >     .-------------.  .---------------------------.
> > >     |   vIOMMU    |  | Guest process CR3, FL only|
> > >     |             |  '---------------------------'
> > >     .----------------/
> > >     | PASID Entry |--- PASID cache flush -
> > >     '-------------'                       |
> > >     |             |                       V
> > >     |             |                CR3 in GPA
> > >     '-------------'
> > > Guest
> > > ------| Shadow |--------------------------|--------
> > >       v        v                          v
> > > Host
> > >     .-------------.  .----------------------.
> > >     |   pIOMMU    |  | Bind FL for GVA-GPA  |
> > >     |             |  '----------------------'
> > >     .----------------/  |
> > >     | PASID Entry |     V (Nested xlate)
> > >     '----------------\.------------------------------.
> > >     |             |   |SL for GPA-HPA, default domain|
> > >     |             |   '------------------------------'
> > >     '-------------'
> > > Where:
> > >  - FL = First level/stage one page tables
> > >  - SL = Second level/stage two page tables
> > 
> > Hi,
> > Looks like an interesting feature!
> > 
> > To check I understand this feature: can applications now pass virtual
> > addresses to devices instead of translating to IOVAs?
> > 
> > If yes, can guest applications restrict the vSVA address space so the
> > device only has access to certain regions?
> > 
> > On one hand replacing IOVA translation with virtual addresses simplifies
> > the application programming model, but does it give up isolation if the
> > device can now access all application memory?
> > 
> 
> with SVA each application is allocated with a unique PASID to tag its
> virtual address space. The device that claims SVA support must guarantee 
> that one application can only program the device to access its own virtual
> address space (i.e. all DMAs triggered by this application are tagged with
> the application's PASID, and are translated by IOMMU's PASID-granular
> page table). So, isolation is not sacrificed in SVA.

Isolation between applications is preserved but there is no isolation
between the device and the application itself. The application needs to
trust the device.

Examples:

1. The device can snoop secret data from readable pages in the
   application's virtual memory space.

2. The device can gain arbitrary execution on the CPU by overwriting
   control flow addresses (e.g. function pointers, stack return
   addresses) in writable pages.

Stefan

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-16 15:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-11 12:15 [PATCH v2 00/15] vfio: expose virtual Shared Virtual Addressing to VMs Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 01/15] vfio/type1: Refactor vfio_iommu_type1_ioctl() Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 02/15] iommu: Report domain nesting info Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 19:30   ` Alex Williamson
2020-06-12  9:05     ` Liu, Yi L
2020-06-15  1:22       ` Tian, Kevin
2020-06-15  6:04         ` Liu, Yi L
2020-06-16  1:56           ` Tian, Kevin
2020-06-16  2:24             ` Liu, Yi L
2020-06-17 14:39   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2020-06-18 11:46     ` Liu, Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 03/15] vfio/type1: Report iommu nesting info to userspace Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 04/15] vfio: Add PASID allocation/free support Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 05/15] iommu/vt-d: Support setting ioasid set to domain Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 06/15] vfio/type1: Add VFIO_IOMMU_PASID_REQUEST (alloc/free) Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 07/15] iommu/uapi: Add iommu_gpasid_unbind_data Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 08/15] iommu: Pass domain and unbind_data to sva_unbind_gpasid() Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 09/15] iommu/vt-d: Check ownership for PASIDs from user-space Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 10/15] vfio/type1: Support binding guest page tables to PASID Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 11/15] vfio/type1: Allow invalidating first-level/stage IOMMU cache Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 12/15] vfio/type1: Add vSVA support for IOMMU-backed mdevs Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 13/15] vfio/pci: Expose PCIe PASID capability to guest Liu Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 14/15] vfio: Document dual stage control Liu Yi L
2020-06-15  9:41   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-06-17  6:27     ` Liu, Yi L
2020-06-22 12:51       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-06-23  6:43         ` Liu, Yi L
2020-06-11 12:15 ` [PATCH v2 15/15] iommu/vt-d: Support reporting nesting capability info Liu Yi L
2020-06-15 10:02 ` [PATCH v2 00/15] vfio: expose virtual Shared Virtual Addressing to VMs Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-06-15 12:39   ` Liu, Yi L
2020-06-16 15:34     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-06-16  2:26   ` Tian, Kevin
2020-06-16 15:49     ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2020-06-16 16:09       ` Peter Xu
2020-06-22 12:49         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-06-16 17:00       ` Raj, Ashok
2020-06-22 12:49         ` Stefan Hajnoczi

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