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From: Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>
To: Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>, Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Kernel Team <kernel-team@fb.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 10/19] mm: memcg/slab: deprecate memory.kmem.slabinfo
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 11:25:45 -0700
Message-ID: <20200622182545.GC301338@carbon.dhcp.thefacebook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALvZod6A3ibpurMsuj+8F3DXYh7sb3L8eNmHf_NUTpvQCiDDmw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 11:09:47AM -0700, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 11:02 AM Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 10:12:46AM -0700, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 4:07 PM Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Deprecate memory.kmem.slabinfo.
> > > >
> > > > An empty file will be presented if corresponding config options are
> > > > enabled.
> > > >
> > > > The interface is implementation dependent, isn't present in cgroup v2,
> > > > and is generally useful only for core mm debugging purposes. In other
> > > > words, it doesn't provide any value for the absolute majority of users.
> > > >
> > > > A drgn-based replacement can be found in tools/cgroup/slabinfo.py .
> > > > It does support cgroup v1 and v2, mimics memory.kmem.slabinfo output
> > > > and also allows to get any additional information without a need
> > > > to recompile the kernel.
> > > >
> > > > If a drgn-based solution is too slow for a task, a bpf-based tracing
> > > > tool can be used, which can easily keep track of all slab allocations
> > > > belonging to a memory cgroup.
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>
> > > > Acked-by: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
> > > > Reviewed-by: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
> > >
> > > Hi Roman,
> > >
> > > I am not against removing the memory.kmem.slabinfo interface but I
> > > would like to have an alternative solution more accessible than
> > > tools/cgroup/slabinfo.py.
> > >
> > > In our case, we don't have ssh access and if we need something for
> > > debugging, it is much more preferable to provide a file to read to
> > > SREs. After the review, that file will be added to a whitelist and
> > > then we can directly read that file through automated tools without
> > > approval for each request.
> > >
> > > I am just wondering if a file interface can be provided for whatever
> > > tools/cgroup/slabinfo.py is providing.
> > >
> > > Shakeel
> >
> > Hello, Shakeel!
> >
> > I understand your point, but Idk how much we wanna make this code a part
> > of the kernel and the cgroup interface.
> 
> No need for the cgroup interface. I was thinking of a new interface
> like /proc/slabinfo_full which tells active objects for each
> kmem_cache and memcg pair.

To me it's a perfect example where tools like drgn and bpf shine.
They are more flexible and do not blow the kernel up with
the debug-only code.

> 
> > The problem is that reading
> > from it will be really slow in comparison to all other cgroup interface
> > files. Idk if Google's version of SLAB has a list of all slab pages,
> > but if not (as in generic SLUB case), it requires scanning of the whole RAM.
> 
> That's a bummer. Does drgn-based script scan the whole RAM?

To be precise, not over all RAM, but over all struct pages.
Unfortunately, there is no better option with SLUB, as there is no
comprehensive list of slab pages available. So the only option is to scan
over all pages with PageSlab flag set.

Thanks!

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Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-08 23:06 [PATCH v6 00/19] The new cgroup slab memory controller Roman Gushchin
2020-06-08 23:06 ` [PATCH v6 01/19] mm: memcg: factor out memcg- and lruvec-level changes out of __mod_lruvec_state() Roman Gushchin
2020-06-17  1:52   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-17  2:50     ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-17  2:59       ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-17  3:19         ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-08 23:06 ` [PATCH v6 02/19] mm: memcg: prepare for byte-sized vmstat items Roman Gushchin
2020-06-17  2:57   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-17  3:19     ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-17 15:55   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-08 23:06 ` [PATCH v6 03/19] mm: memcg: convert vmstat slab counters to bytes Roman Gushchin
2020-06-17  3:03   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-08 23:06 ` [PATCH v6 04/19] mm: slub: implement SLUB version of obj_to_index() Roman Gushchin
2020-06-17  3:08   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-08 23:06 ` [PATCH v6 05/19] mm: memcontrol: decouple reference counting from page accounting Roman Gushchin
2020-06-18  0:47   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-18 14:55   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-18 19:51     ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-19  1:08     ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-19  1:18       ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-19  1:31   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-08 23:06 ` [PATCH v6 06/19] mm: memcg/slab: obj_cgroup API Roman Gushchin
2020-06-19 15:42   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-19 21:38     ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-19 22:16       ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-19 22:52         ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-20 22:50       ` Andrew Morton
2020-06-08 23:06 ` [PATCH v6 07/19] mm: memcg/slab: allocate obj_cgroups for non-root slab pages Roman Gushchin
2020-06-19 16:36   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-20  0:25     ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-20  0:31       ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-08 23:06 ` [PATCH v6 08/19] mm: memcg/slab: save obj_cgroup for non-root slab objects Roman Gushchin
2020-06-20  0:16   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-20  1:19     ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-08 23:06 ` [PATCH v6 09/19] mm: memcg/slab: charge individual slab objects instead of pages Roman Gushchin
2020-06-20  0:54   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-20  1:29     ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-08 23:06 ` [PATCH v6 10/19] mm: memcg/slab: deprecate memory.kmem.slabinfo Roman Gushchin
2020-06-22 17:12   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-22 18:01     ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-22 18:09       ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-22 18:25         ` Roman Gushchin [this message]
2020-06-22 18:38           ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-08 23:06 ` [PATCH v6 11/19] mm: memcg/slab: move memcg_kmem_bypass() to memcontrol.h Roman Gushchin
2020-06-20  1:19   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-08 23:06 ` [PATCH v6 12/19] mm: memcg/slab: use a single set of kmem_caches for all accounted allocations Roman Gushchin
2020-06-22 16:56   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-08 23:06 ` [PATCH v6 13/19] mm: memcg/slab: simplify memcg cache creation Roman Gushchin
2020-06-22 17:29   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-22 17:40     ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-22 18:03       ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-08 23:06 ` [PATCH v6 14/19] mm: memcg/slab: remove memcg_kmem_get_cache() Roman Gushchin
2020-06-22 18:42   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-08 23:06 ` [PATCH v6 15/19] mm: memcg/slab: deprecate slab_root_caches Roman Gushchin
2020-06-22 17:36   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-08 23:06 ` [PATCH v6 16/19] mm: memcg/slab: remove redundant check in memcg_accumulate_slabinfo() Roman Gushchin
2020-06-22 17:32   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-08 23:06 ` [PATCH v6 17/19] mm: memcg/slab: use a single set of kmem_caches for all allocations Roman Gushchin
2020-06-17 23:35   ` Andrew Morton
2020-06-18  0:35     ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-18  7:33       ` Vlastimil Babka
2020-06-18 19:54         ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-22 19:21   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-22 20:37     ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-22 21:04       ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-22 21:13         ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-22 21:28           ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-22 21:58             ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-22 22:05               ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-08 23:06 ` [PATCH v6 18/19] kselftests: cgroup: add kernel memory accounting tests Roman Gushchin
2020-06-17  1:46 ` [PATCH v6 00/19] The new cgroup slab memory controller Shakeel Butt
2020-06-17  2:41   ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-17  3:05     ` Shakeel Butt
2020-06-17  3:32       ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-17 11:24         ` Vlastimil Babka
2020-06-17 14:31           ` Mel Gorman
2020-06-20  0:57             ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-18  1:29           ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-18  8:43             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-06-18  9:31               ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-06-19  1:30                 ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-19  8:32                   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-06-19  1:27               ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-19  9:39                 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-06-19 18:47                   ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-18  1:18   ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-18  9:27 ` Mike Rapoport
2020-06-18 20:43   ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-21 22:57 ` Qian Cai
2020-06-21 23:34   ` Roman Gushchin
2020-06-21 23:53     ` Qian Cai
2020-06-22  3:07       ` Roman Gushchin

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