From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60AAAC433E0 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2020 02:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F6A20786 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2020 02:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=canb.auug.org.au header.i=@canb.auug.org.au header.b="pfbwCs8G" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728172AbgGECMW (ORCPT ); Sat, 4 Jul 2020 22:12:22 -0400 Received: from ozlabs.org ([203.11.71.1]:44165 "EHLO ozlabs.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728039AbgGECMW (ORCPT ); Sat, 4 Jul 2020 22:12:22 -0400 Received: from authenticated.ozlabs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49zsfB2YCNz9sDX; Sun, 5 Jul 2020 12:12:18 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=canb.auug.org.au; s=201702; t=1593915139; bh=vwnnKMyZrTpW7w+SdE5IXRrmpVoxMrOeXk7C5SUmqrs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=pfbwCs8G5THIaqEn8nMjErW3AjeCdWX/YxzdjoppDLbbKsd9/44jTqGC9FC5nFqjW /YVGIHffs2zFwZo0uofv2zcxX2nrZRIgMuK9gdhGWHhiykeIc1AaUAALrMN3wZWc6D unaJHa59+BtLwUD049fema02KiZlmg46hMiXgEkKHbd04rYcuIwq+ouFk+PE6XmQLN G95lf+Of1aRje3/fZoUUSkHaQIblpCsCPhoTcHE780dUjV0ydQe1hJxro9M8KHu8lg dy4YLd85l4UGg99Ho6M4He0S1e8rggVaQ68bHCsn4U20HApeVpiTX0Iiq71v6xivsC YJcpMvl5akZcw== Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 12:12:16 +1000 From: Stephen Rothwell To: Dave Airlie Cc: Dan Williams , ksummit , Greg Kroah-Hartman , LKML , tech-board-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology Message-ID: <20200705121216.2ce2dd46@canb.auug.org.au> In-Reply-To: References: <159389297140.2210796.13590142254668787525.stgit@dwillia2-desk3.amr.corp.intel.com> <20200705064348.71d4d51f@canb.auug.org.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/CqvUgYhwibKZHF3CRkWP5Zx"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --Sig_/CqvUgYhwibKZHF3CRkWP5Zx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dave, On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 09:34:57 +1000 Dave Airlie wrote: > > On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 06:45, Stephen Rothwell wrot= e: > > > > On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 13:02:51 -0700 Dan Williams wrote: =20 > > > > > > +The Linux kernel is a global software project, and in 2020 there was= a > > > +global reckoning on race relations that caused many organizations to > > > +re-evaluate their policies and practices relative to the inclusion of > > > +people of African descent. This document describes why the 'Naming' = =20 > > > > I feel a need to point out that racial issues are wider than just > > people of African descent ... Also, others have pointed out that > > slavery is not just restricted to those of African descent. =20 >=20 > The racial issues are wider than that, and even wider again I'm sure, > but in 2020 this is as good a place to start as any, and the trigger > as that sentence says was in 2020, there was a reckoning about it > mainly due to people of African descent. That trigger has had flow on > effects in other countries, but I'm not sure that sentence in any way > diminishes that, it's merely an introduction to why this change is > happening now. And reading it again in the (actual) light of day, I see you are right and I misinterpreted this. > As for the non-black slavery, others have never pointed this out (I did not say "non-black") > before in 30 years of master/slave terminology? surely if white > slavery was as big a problem, they be as supportive of this, even more (nor did I say "white slavery") > so. It speaks volumes that I've never heard white slavery as a problem > once in 30 years, but now I'm hearing about it a few times, and > somehow as an excuse not to support this. I was merely referring to some of the posts in the users@linux.kernel.org mailing list. Also, I made no statement about my support (or otherwise) for any of this. --=20 Cheers, Stephen Rothwell --Sig_/CqvUgYhwibKZHF3CRkWP5Zx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEENIC96giZ81tWdLgKAVBC80lX0GwFAl8BNwAACgkQAVBC80lX 0GzhnAgAjQB3N5aV+x1W1bH5/WwgEKcf2RvK87COk/sRZC5uYF3pYb1eqhRkf5DQ hkvx3PD+AaTWAm1aADbqHiCuqX4lwr84yGyPmSKQD59yX3sX1YTv0Es3PsdYUmTJ hx6d+oaUdg7wdP5plhYLtu3ywPgP4jNQQ/h822JUkyBYngjKylvbpwUQOiR9bpNS n50BKQRU4zcRFO51B0toKLCJtCwn/FWz0UHUEqurp9sdFcsNCgLA/XVbRHhbgVgc kkv7ZkriIWb/ENiu91yDDq8lHfKHFBp0sQZGy7nm08JtpEdwCxRLTSwHF0P8e5hH EqeOc77j8/zBdGjCL3v46WZJai8FHQ== =oAjh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/CqvUgYhwibKZHF3CRkWP5Zx--