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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
Cc: Moshe Shemesh <moshe@mellanox.com>,
	Jacob Keller <jacob.e.keller@intel.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@mellanox.com>,
	Vasundhara Volam <vasundhara-v.volam@broadcom.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next RFC 01/13] devlink: Add reload level option to devlink reload command
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 13:39:46 -0700
Message-ID: <20200804133946.7246514e@kicinski-fedora-pc1c0hjn.dhcp.thefacebook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200804100418.GA2210@nanopsycho>

On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 12:04:18 +0200 Jiri Pirko wrote:
> Mon, Aug 03, 2020 at 10:57:03PM CEST, kuba@kernel.org wrote:
> >I was trying to avoid having to provide a Cartesian product of
> >operation and system disruption level, if any other action can
> >be done "live" at some point.
> >
> >But no strong feelings about that one.
> >
> >Really, as long as there is no driver-specific defaults (or as 
> >little driver-specific anything as possible) and user actions 
> >are clearly expressed (fw-reset does not necessarily imply
> >fw-activation) - the API will be fine IMO.  
> 
> Clear actions, that is what I'm fine with.
> 
> But not sure how you think we can achieve no driver-specific defaults.
> We have them already :/ I don't think we can easily remove them and not
> break user expectations.

AFAIU the per-driver default is needed because we went too low 
level with what the action constitutes. We need maintain the higher
level actions.

The user clearly did not care if FW was reset during devlink reload
before this set, so what has changed? The objective user has is to
activate their config / FW / move to different net ns. 

Reloading the driver or resetting FW is a low level detail which
achieves different things for different implementations. So it's 
not a suitable abstraction -> IOW we need the driver default.


The work flow for the user is:

0. download fw to /lib/firmware
1. devlink flash $dev $fw
2. if live activation is enabled
   yes - devlink reload $dev $live-activate
   no - report machine has to be drained for reboot

fw-reset can't be $live-activate, because as Jake said fw-reset does
not activate the new image for Intel. So will we end up per-driver
defaults in the kernel space, and user space maintaining a mapping from
a driver to what a "level" of reset implies.

I hope this makes things crystal clear. Please explain what problems
you're seeing and extensions you're expecting. A list of user scenarios
you foresee would be v. useful.

  reply index

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-27 11:02 [PATCH net-next RFC 00/13] Add devlink reload level option Moshe Shemesh
2020-07-27 11:02 ` [PATCH net-next RFC 01/13] devlink: Add reload level option to devlink reload command Moshe Shemesh
2020-07-28  0:58   ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-07-28 13:58     ` Jiri Pirko
2020-07-28 16:47       ` Jacob Keller
2020-07-28 18:44         ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-07-28 19:18           ` Jacob Keller
2020-07-28 20:06             ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-07-29 14:54               ` Moshe Shemesh
2020-07-29 21:07                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-07-30 12:30                   ` Moshe Shemesh
2020-07-30 23:11                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-08-01 21:32                       ` Moshe Shemesh
2020-08-03 14:14                         ` Jiri Pirko
2020-08-03 20:57                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-08-04 10:04                             ` Jiri Pirko
2020-08-04 20:39                               ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2020-08-05 11:02                                 ` Jiri Pirko
2020-08-06 18:25                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-08-06 22:56                                     ` Jacob Keller
2020-08-09 13:21                                     ` Moshe Shemesh
2020-08-10 16:53                                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-08-10 17:09                                         ` Jacob Keller
2020-08-10 18:17                                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-08-11  5:46                                         ` Jiri Pirko
2020-07-27 11:02 ` [PATCH net-next RFC 02/13] devlink: Add reload levels data to dev get Moshe Shemesh
2020-07-28  0:58   ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-07-29 14:37     ` Moshe Shemesh
2020-07-29 21:11       ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-07-30 12:05         ` Moshe Shemesh
2020-07-27 11:02 ` [PATCH net-next RFC 03/13] net/mlx5: Add functions to set/query MFRL register Moshe Shemesh
2020-07-27 11:02 ` [PATCH net-next RFC 04/13] net/mlx5: Set cap for pci sync for fw update event Moshe Shemesh
2020-07-27 11:02 ` [PATCH net-next RFC 05/13] net/mlx5: Handle sync reset request event Moshe Shemesh
2020-07-27 11:02 ` [PATCH net-next RFC 06/13] net/mlx5: Handle sync reset now event Moshe Shemesh
2020-07-27 11:02 ` [PATCH net-next RFC 07/13] net/mlx5: Handle sync reset abort event Moshe Shemesh
2020-07-27 11:02 ` [PATCH net-next RFC 08/13] net/mlx5: Add support for devlink reload level fw reset Moshe Shemesh
2020-07-27 11:02 ` [PATCH net-next RFC 09/13] devlink: Add enable_remote_dev_reset generic parameter Moshe Shemesh
2020-07-28  0:59   ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-07-29 14:42     ` Moshe Shemesh
2020-07-29 20:57       ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-07-30 12:08         ` Moshe Shemesh
2020-07-27 11:02 ` [PATCH net-next RFC 10/13] net/mlx5: Add devlink param enable_remote_dev_reset support Moshe Shemesh
2020-07-28  0:59   ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-07-27 11:02 ` [PATCH net-next RFC 11/13] net/mlx5: Add support for fw live patch event Moshe Shemesh
2020-07-27 11:02 ` [PATCH net-next RFC 12/13] net/mlx5: Add support for devlink reload level live patch Moshe Shemesh
2020-07-27 11:02 ` [PATCH net-next RFC 13/13] devlink: Add Documentation/networking/devlink/devlink-reload.rst Moshe Shemesh
2020-07-28  5:25 ` [PATCH net-next RFC 00/13] Add devlink reload level option Vasundhara Volam
2020-07-28 16:43   ` Jacob Keller
2020-08-03 10:24     ` Vasundhara Volam
2020-08-03 12:17       ` Moshe Shemesh
2020-08-03 12:47         ` Vasundhara Volam
2020-08-03 13:52           ` Moshe Shemesh
2020-08-04 10:13             ` Vasundhara Volam
2020-08-05  6:32               ` Moshe Shemesh
2020-08-05  6:55                 ` Vasundhara Volam
2020-08-05  8:20                   ` Moshe Shemesh
2020-08-12  9:34                     ` Vasundhara Volam
2020-07-28 16:37 ` Jacob Keller

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