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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Kristen Carlson Accardi <kristen@linux.intel.com>,
	tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de,
	arjan@linux.intel.com, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com, rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/10] Function Granular KASLR
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 12:27:50 -0700
Message-ID: <202008061052.DA6F3AA2@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200806153258.GB2131635@gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 06, 2020 at 05:32:58PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Kristen Carlson Accardi <kristen@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > [...]
> > Performance Impact
> > ------------------
> 
> > * Run time
> > The performance impact at run-time of function reordering varies by workload.
> > Using kcbench, a kernel compilation benchmark, the performance of a kernel
> > build with finer grained KASLR was about 1% slower than a kernel with standard
> > KASLR. Analysis with perf showed a slightly higher percentage of 
> > L1-icache-load-misses. Other workloads were examined as well, with varied
> > results. Some workloads performed significantly worse under FGKASLR, while
> > others stayed the same or were mysteriously better. In general, it will
> > depend on the code flow whether or not finer grained KASLR will impact
> > your workload, and how the underlying code was designed. Because the layout
> > changes per boot, each time a system is rebooted the performance of a workload
> > may change.
> 
> I'd guess that the biggest performance impact comes from tearing apart 
> 'groups' of functions that particular workloads are using.
> 
> In that sense it might be worthwile to add a '__kaslr_group' function 
> tag to key functions, which would keep certain performance critical 
> functions next to each other.

We kind of already do this manually for things like the scheduler, etc,
using macros like ".whatever.text", so we might be able to create a more
generalized approach for those. Right now they require a "section" macro
usage and a linker script __start* and __end* marker, etc:

#define SCHED_TEXT						\
                ALIGN_FUNCTION();				\
                __sched_text_start = .;				\
                *(.sched.text)					\
                __sched_text_end = .;

Manually collected each whatever_TEXT define and building out each
__whatever_start, etc is annoying. It'd be really cool to have linker
script have wildcard replacements for build a syntax like this, based
on the presences of matching input sections:

	.%.text : {
		__%_start = .;
		*(.%.text.hot)
		*(.%.text)
		*(.%.text.*)
		*(.%.text.unlikely)
		__%_end = .;
		}

> I'd also suggest allowing the passing in of a boot-time pseudo-random 
> generator seed number, which would allow the creation of a 
> pseudo-randomized but repeatable layout across reboots.

This was present in earlier versions of the series.

-- 
Kees Cook

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Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-17 16:59 Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-17 16:59 ` [PATCH v4 01/10] objtool: Do not assume order of parent/child functions Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-17 16:59 ` [PATCH v4 02/10] x86: tools/relocs: Support >64K section headers Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-17 17:00 ` [PATCH v4 03/10] x86/boot: Allow a "silent" kaslr random byte fetch Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-17 17:00 ` [PATCH v4 04/10] x86: Makefile: Add build and config option for CONFIG_FG_KASLR Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-17 17:00 ` [PATCH v4 05/10] x86: Make sure _etext includes function sections Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-17 17:00 ` [PATCH v4 06/10] x86/tools: Add relative relocs for randomized functions Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-17 17:00 ` [PATCH v4 07/10] x86/boot/compressed: Avoid duplicate malloc() implementations Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-17 17:00 ` [PATCH v4 08/10] x86: Add support for function granular KASLR Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-17 17:00 ` [PATCH v4 09/10] kallsyms: Hide layout Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-20  1:25   ` Kees Cook
2020-07-20 16:59     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-17 17:00 ` [PATCH v4 10/10] module: Reorder functions Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-28 17:29   ` Jessica Yu
2020-07-22  9:27 ` [PATCH v4 00/10] Function Granular KASLR Miroslav Benes
2020-07-22 14:39   ` Kees Cook
2020-07-22 14:51     ` Joe Lawrence
2020-07-22 14:56       ` Joe Lawrence
2020-07-22 18:24         ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-22 16:07     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-07-22 19:42       ` Kees Cook
2020-07-22 19:56         ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-22 21:33           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-08-21 23:02             ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-08-25 16:16               ` Joe Lawrence
2020-08-28 10:21               ` Miroslav Benes
2020-08-28 19:24                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-01-23 22:59                   ` Fangrui Song
2021-01-25 17:21                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-08-03 11:39   ` Evgenii Shatokhin
2020-08-03 17:45     ` Kees Cook
2020-08-03 18:17       ` Joe Lawrence
2020-08-03 19:38         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-08-03 20:11           ` Kees Cook
2020-08-03 21:12             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-08-03 21:41               ` Kees Cook
2020-08-04  0:48                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-08-04 17:04         ` Jessica Yu
2020-08-04 18:23 ` Joe Lawrence
2020-08-07 16:38   ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-08-07 17:20     ` Kees Cook
2020-08-10 16:10       ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-08-12 17:18   ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-08-06 15:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2020-08-06 19:24   ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-08-06 19:27   ` Kees Cook [this message]

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