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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Kirill Tkhai <ktkhai@virtuozzo.com>,
	Kirill Shutemov <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Leon Romanovsky <leonro@nvidia.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] mm: Introduce mm_struct.has_pinned
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 12:56:04 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200922155604.GA731578@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200922142802.GC19098@xz-x1>

On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 10:28:02AM -0400, Peter Xu wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 08:54:36AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 12:47:11AM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
> > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 12:30 AM Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 11:43:38PM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 11:17 PM Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > (Commit message collected from Jason Gunthorpe)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Reduce the chance of false positive from page_maybe_dma_pinned() by keeping
> > > > > > track if the mm_struct has ever been used with pin_user_pages(). mm_structs
> > > > > > that have never been passed to pin_user_pages() cannot have a positive
> > > > > > page_maybe_dma_pinned() by definition.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are some caveats here, right? E.g. this isn't necessarily true
> > > > > for pagecache pages, I think?
> > > >
> > > > Sorry I didn't follow here.  Could you help explain with some details?
> > > 
> > > The commit message says "mm_structs that have never been passed to
> > > pin_user_pages() cannot have a positive page_maybe_dma_pinned() by
> > > definition"; but that is not true for pages which may also be mapped
> > > in a second mm and may have been passed to pin_user_pages() through
> > > that second mm (meaning they must be writable over there and not
> > > shared with us via CoW).
> > 
> > The message does need a few more words to explain this trick can only
> > be used with COW'able pages.
> >  
> > > Process A:
> > > 
> > > fd_a = open("/foo/bar", O_RDWR);
> > > mapping_a = mmap(NULL, 0x1000, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_SHARED, fd_a, 0);
> > > pin_user_pages(mapping_a, 1, ...);
> > > 
> > > Process B:
> > > 
> > > fd_b = open("/foo/bar", O_RDONLY);
> > > mapping_b = mmap(NULL, 0x1000, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE, fd_b, 0);
> > > *(volatile char *)mapping_b;
> > > 
> > > At this point, process B has never called pin_user_pages(), but
> > > page_maybe_dma_pinned() on the page at mapping_b would return true.
> > 
> > My expectation is the pin_user_pages() should have already broken the
> > COW for the MAP_PRIVATE, so process B should not have a
> > page_maybe_dma_pinned()
> 
> When process B maps with PROT_READ only (w/o PROT_WRITE) then it seems the same
> page will be mapped.

I thought MAP_PRIVATE without PROT_WRITE was nonsensical, it only has
meaning for writes initiated by the mapping. MAP_SHARED/PROT_READ is
the same behavior on Linux, IIRC.

But, yes, you certainly can end up with B having
page_maybe_dma_pinned() pages in shared VMA, just not in COW'able
mappings.

> I think I get the point from Jann now.  Maybe it's easier I just remove the
> whole "mm_structs that have never been passed to pin_user_pages() cannot have a
> positive page_maybe_dma_pinned() by definition" sentence if that's misleading,
> because the rest seem to be clear enough on what this new field is used for.

"for COW" I think is still the important detail here, see for instance
my remark on the PUD/PMD splitting where it is necessary to test for
cow before using this.

Perhaps we should call it "has_pinned_for_cow" to place emphasis on
this detail? Due to the shared pages issue It really doesn't have any
broader utility, eg for file back pages or otherwise.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-22 15:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-21 21:17 [PATCH 0/5] mm: Break COW for pinned pages during fork() Peter Xu
2020-09-21 21:17 ` [PATCH 1/5] mm: Introduce mm_struct.has_pinned Peter Xu
2020-09-21 21:43   ` Jann Horn
2020-09-21 22:30     ` Peter Xu
2020-09-21 22:47       ` Jann Horn
2020-09-22 11:54         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-22 14:28           ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 15:56             ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2020-09-22 16:25               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-21 23:53   ` John Hubbard
2020-09-22  0:01     ` John Hubbard
2020-09-22 15:17     ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 16:10       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-22 17:54         ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 19:11           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-23  0:27             ` Peter Xu
2020-09-23 13:10               ` Peter Xu
2020-09-23 14:20                 ` Jan Kara
2020-09-23 17:12                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-24  7:44                     ` Jan Kara
2020-09-24 14:02                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-24 14:45                         ` Jan Kara
2020-09-23 17:07               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-24 14:35                 ` Peter Xu
2020-09-24 16:51                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-24 17:55                     ` Peter Xu
2020-09-24 18:15                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-24 18:34                         ` Peter Xu
2020-09-24 18:39                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-24 21:30                             ` Peter Xu
2020-09-25 19:56                               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-25 21:06                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-26  0:41                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-26  1:15                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-26 22:28                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-27  6:23                                         ` Leon Romanovsky
2020-09-27 18:16                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-27 18:45                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-28 12:49                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-28 16:17                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-28 17:22                                                   ` Peter Xu
2020-09-28 17:54                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-28 18:39                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-28 19:29                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-28 23:57                                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-29  0:18                                                             ` John Hubbard
2020-09-28 19:36                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-28 19:50                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-28 22:51                                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-29  0:30                                                               ` Peter Xu
2020-10-08  5:49                                                             ` Leon Romanovsky
2020-09-28 17:13                                             ` Peter Xu
2020-09-25 21:13                                 ` Peter Xu
2020-09-25 22:08                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-22 18:02       ` John Hubbard
2020-09-22 18:15         ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 19:11       ` John Hubbard
2020-09-27  0:41   ` [mm] 698ac7610f: will-it-scale.per_thread_ops 8.2% improvement kernel test robot
2020-09-21 21:17 ` [PATCH 2/5] mm/fork: Pass new vma pointer into copy_page_range() Peter Xu
2020-09-21 21:17 ` [PATCH 3/5] mm: Rework return value for copy_one_pte() Peter Xu
2020-09-22  7:11   ` John Hubbard
2020-09-22 15:29     ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 10:08   ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-09-22 10:18     ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-09-22 15:36       ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 15:48         ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-09-22 16:03           ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 16:53             ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-09-22 18:13               ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 18:23                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-09-22 18:49                   ` Peter Xu
2020-09-23  6:52                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-09-23 17:16   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-23 21:24     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-21 21:20 ` [PATCH 4/5] mm: Do early cow for pinned pages during fork() for ptes Peter Xu
2020-09-21 21:55   ` Jann Horn
2020-09-21 22:18     ` John Hubbard
2020-09-21 22:27       ` Jann Horn
2020-09-22  0:08         ` John Hubbard
2020-09-21 22:27     ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 11:48   ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-09-22 12:40     ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-09-22 15:58       ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 16:52         ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-09-22 18:34           ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 18:44             ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-09-23  1:03               ` Peter Xu
2020-09-23 20:25                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-24 15:08                   ` Peter Xu
2020-09-24 11:48   ` Kirill Tkhai
2020-09-24 15:16     ` Peter Xu
2020-09-21 21:20 ` [PATCH 5/5] mm/thp: Split huge pmds/puds if they're pinned when fork() Peter Xu
2020-09-22  6:41   ` John Hubbard
2020-09-22 10:33     ` Jan Kara
2020-09-22 20:01       ` John Hubbard
2020-09-23  9:22         ` Jan Kara
2020-09-23 13:50           ` Peter Xu
2020-09-23 14:01             ` Jan Kara
2020-09-23 15:44               ` Peter Xu
2020-09-23 20:19                 ` John Hubbard
2020-09-24 18:49                   ` Peter Xu
2020-09-23 16:06     ` Peter Xu
2020-09-22 12:05   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-23 15:24     ` Peter Xu
2020-09-23 16:07       ` Yang Shi
2020-09-24 15:47         ` Peter Xu
2020-09-24 17:29           ` Yang Shi
2020-09-23 17:17       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-23 10:21 ` [PATCH 0/5] mm: Break COW for pinned pages during fork() Leon Romanovsky
2020-09-23 15:37   ` Peter Xu

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