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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>
Cc: Sebastiaan Meijer <meijersebastiaan@gmail.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, buddy.lumpkin@oracle.com,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, mgorman@suse.de, willy@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/1] vmscan: Support multiple kswapd threads per node
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 16:29:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201002142933.GL4555@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <656725362af9bd757a281f0799a0bb9c9b2487bd.camel@surriel.com>

On Fri 02-10-20 09:53:05, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Fri, 2020-10-02 at 09:03 +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Thu 01-10-20 18:18:10, Sebastiaan Meijer wrote:
> > > (Apologies for messing up the mailing list thread, Gmail had fooled
> > > me into
> > > believing that it properly picked up the thread)
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 at 14:30, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> wrote:
> > > > On Wed 30-09-20 21:27:12, Sebastiaan Meijer wrote:
> > > > > > yes it shows the bottleneck but it is quite artificial. Read
> > > > > > data is
> > > > > > usually processed and/or written back and that changes the
> > > > > > picture a
> > > > > > lot.
> > > > > Apologies for reviving an ancient thread (and apologies in
> > > > > advance for my lack
> > > > > of knowledge on how mailing lists work), but I'd like to offer
> > > > > up another
> > > > > reason why merging this might be a good idea.
> > > > > 
> > > > > From what I understand, zswap runs its compression on the same
> > > > > kswapd thread,
> > > > > limiting it to a single thread for compression. Given enough
> > > > > processing power,
> > > > > zswap can get great throughput using heavier compression
> > > > > algorithms like zstd,
> > > > > but this is currently greatly limited by the lack of threading.
> > > > 
> > > > Isn't this a problem of the zswap implementation rather than
> > > > general
> > > > kswapd reclaim? Why zswap doesn't do the same as normal swap out
> > > > in a
> > > > context outside of the reclaim?
> 
> On systems with lots of very fast IO devices, we have
> also seen kswapd take 100% CPU time without any zswap
> in use.

Do you have more details? Does the saturated kswapd lead to pre-mature
direct reclaim? What is the saturated number of reclaimed pages per unit
of time? Have you tried to play with this to see whether an additional
worker would help?

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-10-02 14:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-30 19:27 [RFC PATCH 1/1] vmscan: Support multiple kswapd threads per node Sebastiaan Meijer
2020-10-01 12:30 ` Michal Hocko
2020-10-01 16:18   ` Sebastiaan Meijer
2020-10-02  7:03     ` Michal Hocko
2020-10-02  8:40       ` Mel Gorman
2020-10-02 13:53       ` Rik van Riel
2020-10-02 14:00         ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-10-02 14:29         ` Michal Hocko [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-04-02  9:24 [RFC PATCH 0/1] mm: " Buddy Lumpkin
2018-04-02  9:24 ` [RFC PATCH 1/1] vmscan: " Buddy Lumpkin
2018-04-03 13:31   ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-03 19:07     ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-03 20:49       ` Buddy Lumpkin
2018-04-03 21:12         ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-04 10:07           ` Buddy Lumpkin
2018-04-05  4:08           ` Buddy Lumpkin
2018-04-11  6:37           ` Buddy Lumpkin
2018-04-11  3:52       ` Buddy Lumpkin
2018-04-03 20:13     ` Buddy Lumpkin
2018-04-11  3:10     ` Buddy Lumpkin
2018-04-12 13:23       ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]     ` <EB9E8FC6-8B02-4D7C-AA50-2B5B6BD2AF40@oracle.com>
2018-04-12 13:16       ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-17  3:02         ` Buddy Lumpkin
2018-04-17  9:03           ` Michal Hocko

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