From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.3 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA145C2BBCD for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2020 18:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776F323B87 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2020 18:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1730986AbgLHSQO (ORCPT ); Tue, 8 Dec 2020 13:16:14 -0500 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com ([63.128.21.124]:44869 "EHLO us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1730468AbgLHSQN (ORCPT ); Tue, 8 Dec 2020 13:16:13 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1607451286; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=cc5HeITMvRFmjbvT+QUgMVjYAa6x0iGdEVKJUwAnHSA=; b=c31AYR06WOIb8zGxYDyCaPbZ/aGe+qcHN2yICnQ6AFFrBWNR0TC4KCdVbjOynlBJlqmnO4 o/nFdsXIN/cUcAwSqhb9h0+y3TEYTlcFlYOaFp4f/HeDbXp/Hy50pcoog0jAWMOPaLOU7m siIH/EqBW0xcVSlKUnh6GC/CJ1A6QAI= Received: from mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (mimecast-mx01.redhat.com [209.132.183.4]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-504-OwRjtUAMOq-LjE7rnn6KmQ-1; Tue, 08 Dec 2020 13:14:42 -0500 X-MC-Unique: OwRjtUAMOq-LjE7rnn6KmQ-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx08.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F03E57051; Tue, 8 Dec 2020 18:14:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fuller.cnet (ovpn-112-8.gru2.redhat.com [10.97.112.8]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1F4D19C78; Tue, 8 Dec 2020 18:14:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fuller.cnet (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6FD634097D83; Tue, 8 Dec 2020 15:12:32 -0300 (-03) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 15:12:32 -0300 From: Marcelo Tosatti To: Maxim Levitsky Cc: Thomas Gleixner , kvm@vger.kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" , Paolo Bonzini , Jonathan Corbet , Jim Mattson , Wanpeng Li , "open list:KERNEL SELFTEST FRAMEWORK" , Vitaly Kuznetsov , Sean Christopherson , open list , Ingo Molnar , "maintainer:X86 ARCHITECTURE (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)" , Joerg Roedel , Borislav Petkov , Shuah Khan , Andrew Jones , Oliver Upton , "open list:DOCUMENTATION" Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] KVM: x86: implement KVM_{GET|SET}_TSC_STATE Message-ID: <20201208181232.GB31442@fuller.cnet> References: <20201203171118.372391-1-mlevitsk@redhat.com> <20201203171118.372391-2-mlevitsk@redhat.com> <20201207232920.GD27492@fuller.cnet> <05aaabedd4aac7d3bce81d338988108885a19d29.camel@redhat.com> <87sg8g2sn4.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> <6f64558a029574444da417754786f711c2fec407.camel@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6f64558a029574444da417754786f711c2fec407.camel@redhat.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 10.5.11.23 Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 06:25:13PM +0200, Maxim Levitsky wrote: > On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 17:02 +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 08 2020 at 16:50, Maxim Levitsky wrote: > > > On Mon, 2020-12-07 at 20:29 -0300, Marcelo Tosatti wrote: > > > > > +This ioctl allows to reconstruct the guest's IA32_TSC and TSC_ADJUST value > > > > > +from the state obtained in the past by KVM_GET_TSC_STATE on the same vCPU. > > > > > + > > > > > +If 'KVM_TSC_STATE_TIMESTAMP_VALID' is set in flags, > > > > > +KVM will adjust the guest TSC value by the time that passed since the moment > > > > > +CLOCK_REALTIME timestamp was saved in the struct and current value of > > > > > +CLOCK_REALTIME, and set the guest's TSC to the new value. > > > > > > > > This introduces the wraparound bug in Linux timekeeping, doesnt it? > > > > Which bug? > > > > > It does. > > > Could you prepare a reproducer for this bug so I get a better idea about > > > what are you talking about? > > > > > > I assume you need very long (like days worth) jump to trigger this bug > > > and for such case we can either work around it in qemu / kernel > > > or fix it in the guest kernel and I strongly prefer the latter. > > > > > > Thomas, what do you think about it? > > > > For one I have no idea which bug you are talking about and if the bug is > > caused by the VMM then why would you "fix" it in the guest kernel. > > The "bug" is that if VMM moves a hardware time counter (tsc or anything else) > forward by large enough value in one go, > then the guest kernel will supposingly have an overflow in the time code. > I don't consider this to be a buggy VMM behavior, but rather a kernel > bug that should be fixed (if this bug actually exists) It exists. > Purely in theory this can even happen on real hardware if for example SMM handler > blocks a CPU from running for a long duration, or hardware debugging > interface does, or some other hardware transparent sleep mechanism kicks in > and blocks a CPU from running. > (We do handle this gracefully for S3/S4) > > > > > Aside of that I think I made it pretty clear what the right thing to do > > is. > > This is orthogonal to this issue of the 'bug'. > Here we are not talking about per-vcpu TSC offsets, something that I said > that I do agree with you that it would be very nice to get rid of. > > We are talking about the fact that TSC can jump forward by arbitrary large > value if the migration took arbitrary amount of time, which > (assuming that the bug is real) can crash the guest kernel. QE reproduced it. > This will happen even if we use per VM global tsc offset. > > So what do you think? > > Best regards, > Maxim Levitsky > > > > > Thanks, > > > > tglx > > >