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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch V2 4/9] softirq: Make softirq control and processing RT aware
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 13:42:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201209124233.GM2414@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878sa717h5.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>

On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 01:36:54PM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 09 2020 at 11:11, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 06:01:55PM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> >> From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
> >> +	/* First entry of a task into a BH disabled section? */
> >> +	if (!current->softirq_disable_cnt) {
> >> +		if (preemptible()) {
> >> +			local_lock(&softirq_ctrl.lock);
> >
> > AFAICT this significantly changes the locking rules.
> >
> > Where previously we could do:
> >
> > 	spin_lock(&ponies)
> > 	spin_lock_bh(&foo);
> >
> > vs
> >
> > 	spin_lock_bh(&bar);
> > 	spin_lock(&ponies)
> >
> > provided the rest of the code observed: bar -> ponies -> foo
> > and never takes ponies from in-softirq.
> >
> > This is now a genuine deadlock on RT.
> 
> I know, but making this work is trying to square the circle.

:-)

> Any approach we tried before going this way had worse problems than
> this particular limitation.

OK, but that would've been very good Changelog material methinks.

Also, then we should probably make sure PREEMPT_RT=n builds start
suffering the same problem by adding the local_lock unconditionally,
otherwise this keeps being a PREEMPT_RT special and we'll keep having to
fix it up.



  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-09 12:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-04 17:01 [patch V2 0/9] softirq: Make it RT aware Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-04 17:01 ` [patch V2 1/9] softirq: Add RT specific softirq accounting Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 13:06   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-12-04 17:01 ` [patch V2 2/9] irqtime: Make accounting correct on RT Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07  0:23   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-12-07  0:57     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07  1:14       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-12-07 13:27   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-12-07 14:44     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-04 17:01 ` [patch V2 3/9] softirq: Move various protections into inline helpers Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 13:37   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-12-04 17:01 ` [patch V2 4/9] softirq: Make softirq control and processing RT aware Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 14:16   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-12-07 15:08     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-08  0:08   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-12-09 10:11   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-09 12:36     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-09 12:42       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2020-12-09 13:30         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-09 10:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-04 17:01 ` [patch V2 5/9] tick/sched: Prevent false positive softirq pending warnings on RT Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-08 12:23   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-12-04 17:01 ` [patch V2 6/9] rcu: Prevent false positive softirq warning " Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-04 17:59   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-12-04 17:01 ` [patch V2 7/9] softirq: Replace barrier() with cpu_relax() in tasklet_unlock_wait() Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 11:39   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-07 15:21     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-04 17:01 ` [patch V2 8/9] tasklets: Use static inlines for stub implementations Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-04 17:02 ` [patch V2 9/9] tasklets: Prevent kill/unlock_wait deadlock on RT Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 11:47   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-07 14:00     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-12-07 14:27       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-07 17:55         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 15:22       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 15:39         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-12-07 17:49           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 17:50             ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-06 10:05 ` [patch V2 0/9] softirq: Make it RT aware Sebastian Andrzej Siewior

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