From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.3 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A35C43333 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 19:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA7064ECC for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 19:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S232944AbhBRTXZ (ORCPT ); Thu, 18 Feb 2021 14:23:25 -0500 Received: from wtarreau.pck.nerim.net ([62.212.114.60]:49871 "EHLO 1wt.eu" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S231372AbhBRSVo (ORCPT ); Thu, 18 Feb 2021 13:21:44 -0500 Received: (from willy@localhost) by pcw.home.local (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 11IIKoE1015408; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 19:20:50 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 19:20:50 +0100 From: Willy Tarreau To: Greg Kroah-Hartman Cc: Florian Fainelli , Sasha Levin , BCM Kernel Feedback , LKML , Linux ARM , Scott Branden Subject: Re: 5.10 LTS Kernel: 2 or 6 years? Message-ID: <20210218182050.GB15217@1wt.eu> References: <8cf503db-ac4c-a546-13c0-aac6da5c073b@broadcom.com> <20210218165104.GC2013@sasha-vm> <00b9e2fb-d818-58d6-edae-4dbd6aa814f7@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Archive: On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 06:53:56PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 09:21:13AM -0800, Florian Fainelli wrote: > > As a company, we are most likely shooting ourselves in the foot by not > > having a point of coordination with the Linux Foundation and key people > > like you, Greg and other participants in the stable kernel. > > What does the LF have to do with this? > > We are here, on the mailing lists, working with everyone. Just test the > -rc releases we make and let us know if they work or not for you, it's > not a lot of "coordination" needed at all. > > Otherwise, if no one is saying that they are going to need these for 6 > years and are willing to use it in their project (i.e. and test it), > there's no need for us to maintain it for that long, right? Greg, please remember I expressed I really need them for slightly more than 3 years (say 3.5-4) :-) I'm fine with helping a bit more as time permits if this saves me from having to take over these kernels after you, like in the past, but I cannot engage on the regularity of my availability. Overall I think that a lot of people completely underestimate the amount of work it requires to maintain stable kernels, and how much it could be distributed. By having a bunch of users participate a little bit more (e.g. by sometimes backporting the patches that are essential to them, by testing what's relevant to their use case), it already offloads a lot of work. I don't think the extra work requires to be much organized if there are enough participants to share the efforts. Regards, Willy