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From: Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>
To: Prasanna Vengateshan <prasanna.vengateshan@microchip.com>
Cc: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, robh+dt@kernel.org,
	UNGLinuxDriver@microchip.com, Woojung.Huh@microchip.com,
	hkallweit1@gmail.com, linux@armlinux.org.uk, davem@davemloft.net,
	kuba@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	vivien.didelot@gmail.com, f.fainelli@gmail.com,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 net-next 05/10] net: dsa: microchip: add DSA support for microchip lan937x
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 02:54:01 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210803235401.rctfylazg47cjah5@skbuf> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50eb24a1e407b651eda7aeeff26d82d3805a6a41.camel@microchip.com>

On Tue, Aug 03, 2021 at 10:24:27PM +0530, Prasanna Vengateshan wrote:
> Thanks Vladimir & Andrew for the right pointers and info. The thread talks about
> "rgmii-*" are going to be applied by the PHY only as per the doc. For fixed-
> link, MAC needs to add the delay. This fixed-link can be No-PHY or MAC-MAC or
> MAC to in-accessible PHY. In such case, i am not convinced in using rgmii-tx-
> delay-ps & rgmii-rx-delay-ps on the MAC side and apply delay. I still think
> proposed code in earlier mail thread should still be okay.

Why? I genuinely do not understand your reasoning

  - I read a thread that brings some arguments for which MACs should not
    add delays based on the delay type in the "rgmii-*" phy-mode string
    [ but based on explicit rgmii-tx-delay-ps and rgmii-rx-delay-ps
    properties under the MAC OF node; this is written in the same
    message as the quote that you chose ]

  - I acknowledge that in certain configurations I need the MAC to apply
    internal delays.

  => I disagree that I should parse the rgmii-tx-delay-ps and
     rgmii-rx-delay-ps OF properties of the MAC, just apply RGMII delays
     based on the "rgmii-*" phy-mode string value, when I am a DSA CPU
     port and in no other circumstance

?!

I mean, feel free to feel convinced or not, but you have not actually
brought any argument to the table here, or I'm not seeing it.

Anyway, I don't believe that whatever you decide to do with the RGMII
delays is likely to be a decisive factor in whether the patches are
accepted or not, considering the fact that traditionally, everyone did
what suited their board best and that's about it; I will stop pushing back.

I have a theory that all the RGMII setups driven by the Linux PHY
library cannot all work at the same time, with the same code base.
Someone will sooner or later come and change a driver to make it do what
they need, which will break what the original author intended, which
will then be again patched, which will again break ..., which ....

If a perpetual motion device will ever be built by mankind, I am sure it
will be powered by RGMII delays.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-03 23:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-23 17:30 [PATCH v3 net-next 00/10] net: dsa: microchip: DSA driver support for LAN937x switch Prasanna Vengateshan
2021-07-23 17:30 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 01/10] dt-bindings: net: dsa: dt bindings for microchip lan937x Prasanna Vengateshan
2021-07-26 22:49   ` Rob Herring
2021-07-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 02/10] net: dsa: move mib->cnt_ptr reset code to ksz_common.c Prasanna Vengateshan
2021-07-23 18:53   ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-07-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 03/10] net: phy: Add support for LAN937x T1 phy driver Prasanna Vengateshan
2021-08-11 17:52   ` Prasanna Vengateshan
2021-07-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 04/10] net: dsa: tag_ksz: add tag handling for Microchip LAN937x Prasanna Vengateshan
2021-07-23 19:23   ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-07-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 05/10] net: dsa: microchip: add DSA support for microchip lan937x Prasanna Vengateshan
2021-07-31 15:04   ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-07-31 22:05     ` Andrew Lunn
2021-08-02 21:33       ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-08-03 14:43         ` Andrew Lunn
2021-08-03 15:05           ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-08-02 10:45     ` Prasanna Vengateshan
2021-08-02 12:15       ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-08-02 13:13         ` Andrew Lunn
2021-08-02 13:59           ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-08-02 20:47             ` Andrew Lunn
2021-08-03 16:54             ` Prasanna Vengateshan
2021-08-03 23:54               ` Vladimir Oltean [this message]
2021-08-04  9:59                 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-08-04 10:46                   ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-08-04 14:28                     ` Prasanna Vengateshan
2021-08-04 14:51                       ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-08-07 15:40                     ` Andrew Lunn
2021-08-07 17:00                       ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-08-11 17:44                       ` Prasanna Vengateshan
2021-08-11 18:23                         ` Andrew Lunn
2021-08-11 20:14                           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-08-11 20:20                             ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-08-11 20:22                               ` Andrew Lunn
2021-07-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 06/10] net: dsa: microchip: add support for phylink management Prasanna Vengateshan
2021-07-31 15:27   ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-08-03 17:04     ` Prasanna Vengateshan
2021-07-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 07/10] net: dsa: microchip: add support for ethtool port counters Prasanna Vengateshan
2021-07-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 08/10] net: dsa: microchip: add support for port mirror operations Prasanna Vengateshan
2021-07-31 15:24   ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-07-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 09/10] net: dsa: microchip: add support for fdb and mdb management Prasanna Vengateshan
2021-07-31 15:19   ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-07-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 10/10] net: dsa: microchip: add support for vlan operations Prasanna Vengateshan
2021-07-31 15:08   ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-08-02 10:48     ` Prasanna Vengateshan

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