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From: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"Kuppuswamy,
	Sathyanarayanan"  <sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com>,
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	Rajat Jain <rajatja@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 11/15] pci: Add pci_iomap_shared{,_range}
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:55:41 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210824185541.GA3485816@bjorn-Precision-5520> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d21a2a2d-4670-ba85-ce9a-fc8ea80ef1be@linux.intel.com>

[+cc Rajat; I still don't know what "shared memory with a hypervisor
in a confidential guest" means, but now we're talking about hardened
drivers and allow lists, which Rajat is interested in]

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 10:20:44AM -0700, Andi Kleen wrote:
> 
> > I see. Hmm. It's a bit of a random thing to do it at the map time
> > though. E.g. DMA is all handled transparently behind the DMA API.
> > Hardening is much more than just replacing map with map_shared
> > and I suspect what you will end up with is basically
> > vendors replacing map with map shared to make things work
> > for their users and washing their hands.
> 
> That concept exists too. There is a separate allow list for the drivers. So
> just adding shared to a driver is not enough, until it's also added to the
> allowlist
> 
> Users can of course chose to disable the allowlist, but they need to
> understand the security implications.
> 
> > I would say an explicit flag in the driver that says "hardened"
> > and refusing to init a non hardened one would be better.
> 
> We have that too (that's the device filtering)
> 
> But the problem is that device filtering just stops the probe functions, not
> the initcalls, and lot of legacy drivers do MMIO interactions before going
> into probe. In some cases it's unavoidable because of the device doesn't
> have a separate enumeration mechanism it needs some kind of probing to even
> check for its existence And since we don't want to change all of them it's
> far safer to make the ioremap opt-in.
> 
> 
> -Andi
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-24 18:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-05  0:52 [PATCH v4 00/15] Add TDX Guest Support (shared-mm support) Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 01/15] x86/mm: Move force_dma_unencrypted() to common code Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 02/15] x86/tdx: Exclude Shared bit from physical_mask Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 03/15] x86/tdx: Make pages shared in ioremap() Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 04/15] x86/tdx: Add helper to do MapGPA hypercall Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 05/15] x86/tdx: Make DMA pages shared Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 06/15] x86/kvm: Use bounce buffers for TD guest Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 07/15] x86/tdx: ioapic: Add shared bit for IOAPIC base address Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 08/15] x86/tdx: Enable shared memory protected guest flags for TDX guest Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 09/15] pci: Consolidate pci_iomap* and pci_iomap*wc Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-12 19:43   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-08-12 22:11     ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-12 22:29     ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 10/15] asm/io.h: Add ioremap_shared fallback Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-12 19:46   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-08-13  7:58   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 11/15] pci: Add pci_iomap_shared{,_range} Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-13  8:02   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-08-23 23:56   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-24  0:30     ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-24  1:04       ` Dan Williams
2021-08-24  2:14         ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-24  9:47           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-24 17:20             ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-24 18:55               ` Bjorn Helgaas [this message]
2021-08-24 20:14                 ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-24 20:31                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-08-24 20:50                     ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-24 21:05                       ` Dan Williams
2021-08-25 14:52                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-08-24 21:55                 ` Rajat Jain
2021-08-29 15:27               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-29 16:17                 ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-29 22:26                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-30  5:11                     ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-30 20:59                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-31  0:23                         ` Andi Kleen
2021-09-10  9:54                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-10 16:34                             ` Andi Kleen
2021-09-11 23:54                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  5:53                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-24 22:43                                 ` Andi Kleen
2021-09-27  9:07                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-24 21:56         ` Rajat Jain
2021-08-24 21:59           ` Dan Williams
2021-08-24  7:07       ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-08-24 17:04         ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-29 15:34           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-29 16:43             ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-24  9:12       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 12/15] pci: Mark MSI data shared Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-13  8:07   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 13/15] virtio: Use shared mappings for virtio PCI devices Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 14/15] x86/tdx: Implement ioremap_shared for x86 Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 15/15] x86/tdx: Add cmdline option to force use of ioremap_shared Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan

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