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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Vince Weaver <vincent.weaver@maine.edu>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Kan Liang <kan.liang@linux.intel.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>, Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 2/3] perf/x86: Control RDPMC access from .enable() hook
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 10:51:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210830085106.GF4353@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f3b72c71-f9c9-e1a8-4542-e248e8a5d769@maine.edu>

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 11:05:55PM -0400, Vince Weaver wrote:

> as the author of those perf_event tests for rdpmc, I have to say if ARM 
> comes up with a cleaner implementation I'd be glad to have x86 transition 
> to something better.
> 
> The rdpmc code is a huge mess and has all kinds of corner cases.  I'm not 
> sure anyone besides the PAPI library tries to use it, and while it's a 
> nice performance improvement to use rdpmc it is really hard to get things 
> working right.
> 
> As a PAPI developer we actually have run into the issue where the CPU 
> switches and we were reporting the wrong results.  Also if I recall (it's 
> been a while) we were having issues where the setup lets you attach to a 
> process on another CPU for monitoring using the rdpmc interface and it 
> returns results even though I think that will rarely ever work in 
> practice.

There's just not much we can do to validate the usage, fundamentally at
RDPMC time we're not running any kernel code, so we can't validate the
conditions under which we're called.

I suppose one way would be to create a mode where RDPMC is disabled but
emulated -- which completely voids the reason for using RDPMC in the
first place (performance), but would allow us to validate the usage.

Fundamentally, we must call RDPMC only for events that are currently
actuve on *this* CPU. Currently we rely on userspace to DTRT and if it
doesn't we have no way of knowing and it gets to keep the pieces.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-30  8:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-28 23:02 [RFC 0/3] perf/x86: Rework RDPMC access handling Rob Herring
2021-07-28 23:02 ` [RFC 1/3] x86: perf: Move RDPMC event flag to a common definition Rob Herring
2021-07-28 23:02 ` [RFC 2/3] perf/x86: Control RDPMC access from .enable() hook Rob Herring
2021-08-12 16:50   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-08-12 18:16     ` Rob Herring
2021-08-26 18:13       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-08-26 19:09         ` Rob Herring
2021-08-27 21:10           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-08-30  3:05             ` Vince Weaver
2021-08-30  8:51               ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2021-08-30 20:21                 ` Vince Weaver
2021-08-30 21:40                   ` Rob Herring
2021-08-30 20:58               ` Rob Herring
2021-07-28 23:02 ` [RFC 3/3] perf/x86: Call mmap event callbacks on event's CPU Rob Herring

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